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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-01-13 18:12:07 UTC
supersexysucker wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
supersexysucker wrote:
Anymore fail?

Well, there's your posting.


O look! a goon, should you not be busy sucking off anthoer goon right now, or check that your own bot is running?

See, there's more of your posting.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Xuko Nuki
Heralds of Darkness
White Sky.
#22 - 2012-01-13 18:12:43 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:
Xuko Nuki wrote:
Could we at least have a story?

It's faily self-explanatory, and hilarious too Big smile



I see now but would still like some narration Smile
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#23 - 2012-01-13 18:16:01 UTC
Morganta wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
FFS, people, stick killboard links that have ampersands (&) in them into bit.ly or something first. Removing the "amp;" from the URL is getting tiresome. Here is the kill link without the issues.

At least, until CCP decide to spend another two years fixing a one-liner bug that causes this to happen (or they decide to use a real BBCode library rather than cooking their own up).


all they need to do is stop double encoding html entities for display

if you have to use && to get & to display to the enduser (like the link warning shows) it will fail.

CCP: URLs must use the proper html entites to be valid HTML, this is true, but you don't have to display it to the user as such
when you make & look like & to the user as text, that means you are actually putting && in the URL (you override or escape by doubling up on the code) and as a result the entity never decodes properly for the browser and it also sees & instead of converting & to &.

If I feed & to a browser it converts to &, if I feed && to the browser it sees it as a command to overide the proper display and as a result strips the first & and leaves the 2nd as is.

This is the penultimate easy fix, seriously it involves nothing security related. Any of the fools here who run KBs could do it, hell a 12 year old could do it

SO DOOOO EEEEET!!!


I don't know much about ASP (which they appear to be using for their forums for some daft reason), but if they used Python as they did for Eve, there is a marvelous postmarkup module that does all that for you. Give it BBCode, it gives you valid HTML back. I'm sure there is something like that for ASP as well.

supersexysucker wrote:
O look! a goon, should you not be busy sucking off anthoer goon right now, or check that your own bot is running?


Stop posting.

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Chiggy W
Hard-Luck Industries
#24 - 2012-01-13 18:26:15 UTC
Xuko Nuki wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Xuko Nuki wrote:
Could we at least have a story?

It's faily self-explanatory, and hilarious too Big smile



I see now but would still like some narration Smile


Idiot goes ratting in a MoM, goes AFK/falls asleep, dies to said rats.

Pretty self explanatory, really no need for narration.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#25 - 2012-01-13 18:52:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Morganta wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
FFS, people, stick killboard links that have ampersands (&) in them into bit.ly or something first. Removing the "amp;" from the URL is getting tiresome. Here is the kill link without the issues.

At least, until CCP decide to spend another two years fixing a one-liner bug that causes this to happen (or they decide to use a real BBCode library rather than cooking their own up).


all they need to do is stop double encoding html entities for display

if you have to use && to get & to display to the enduser (like the link warning shows) it will fail.

CCP: URLs must use the proper html entites to be valid HTML, this is true, but you don't have to display it to the user as such
when you make & look like & to the user as text, that means you are actually putting && in the URL (you override or escape by doubling up on the code) and as a result the entity never decodes properly for the browser and it also sees & instead of converting & to &.

If I feed & to a browser it converts to &, if I feed && to the browser it sees it as a command to overide the proper display and as a result strips the first & and leaves the 2nd as is.

This is the penultimate easy fix, seriously it involves nothing security related. Any of the fools here who run KBs could do it, hell a 12 year old could do it

SO DOOOO EEEEET!!!


I don't know much about ASP (which they appear to be using for their forums for some daft reason), but if they used Python as they did for Eve, there is a marvelous postmarkup module that does all that for you. Give it BBCode, it gives you valid HTML back. I'm sure there is something like that for ASP as well.

supersexysucker wrote:
O look! a goon, should you not be busy sucking off anthoer goon right now, or check that your own bot is running?


Stop posting.


asp is a steaming pile of garbage

I have a publisher friend who has a asp site made by a "top" development team
it's so bad google won't even index the site, the shopping cart and a handfull of pdf's make it into the index

CCP is almost in the same boat, forum main pages are not indexed, however lucky for CCP the actual posts get indexed

why?
well that publisher's website has about 280 errors on the home page, almost 500 errors on the product page
and these are all errors you never see, it looks fine in a browser, but robots hate it and refuse to deal with it, except for the pages like the cart which has only 27 errors.

WTF errors... stupid stuff, declaring XHTML and coding tags in caps or mixed case, or using HTML 4 standards in an XML environment.

The rules have changed, people need to get with the standards or DIAF

as for my friend, I'll be migrating his site into a standard php zen package that they can maintain and update themselves since they really have no need for overblown bloated buggy code
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#26 - 2012-01-13 18:58:13 UTC
Morganta wrote:

The rules have changed, people need to get with the standards or DIAF


You're not telling CCP to DIAF right? You know what happens to people who do that. Blink

But yeah, I was a bit disappointed when I saw ".aspx" on the Eve websites. I was rather hoping they'd use something Python-y and cool like Django. I suppose they initially wrote everything in ASP (back in 2003) and have just been building on top of that since then. Oh well.

Everything other than Eve Gate does sort of need an overhaul, though. Particularly the main eveonline.com pages.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-01-13 19:02:50 UTC
Morganta wrote:
as for my friend, I'll be migrating his site into a standard php zen package that they can maintain and update themselves since they really have no need for overblown bloated buggy code

If you value your friendship, don't migrate his site to PHP, the worst scripting language known to man.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#28 - 2012-01-13 19:03:50 UTC
... This thread is now about web developer e-peen and language/framework wars?

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-01-13 19:06:45 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
But yeah, I was a bit disappointed when I saw ".aspx" on the Eve websites. I was rather hoping they'd use something Python-y and cool like Django. I suppose they initially wrote everything in ASP (back in 2003) and have just been building on top of that since then. Oh well.

.aspx usually implies C#, VB.NET or similar, though, and it's not backwards compatible at all, so it's been completely rewritten.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#30 - 2012-01-13 19:11:01 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Morganta wrote:
as for my friend, I'll be migrating his site into a standard php zen package that they can maintain and update themselves since they really have no need for overblown bloated buggy code

If you value your friendship, don't migrate his site to PHP, the worst scripting language known to man.


it's never let me down, and it does everything I want it to do, even things I didn't know I wanted it to do
I have not yet encountered a need or feature that couldn't be coded with php and or java (and I really hate java)

whats your gripe?
or did you read it online?
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#31 - 2012-01-13 19:17:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Petrus Blackshell
Morganta wrote:

it's never let me down, and it does everything I want it to do, even things I didn't know I wanted it to do
I have not yet encountered a need or feature that couldn't be coded with php and or java (and I really hate java)

whats your gripe?
or did you read it online?


My guess is the ugly syntax and fast-and-furious type games ( "1"+1 results in 2). I use PHP for everyday small web scripts, but if I need something bigger, Python is it.

Edit: Also, doesn't actively encourage MVC coding.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-01-13 19:22:42 UTC
I wrote code in PHP for a year before I got too fed up with its idiosyncracies, like how all functions that touched the file system handled errors differently from every other function, how it didn't ***** about using uninitialized variables by default, how the developers somehow decided that include() should be able to open foreign files, which has been exploited to **** and back, how safe_mode is a ***** to deal with sometimes, how its input handling sucks, the blatant disregard for data integrity shown by the developers when they say "oh but all the users'll see is superfluous \'s!", and finally how it has 3000+ functions with varying namestandards, some of them case sensitive, some case insensitive etc etc etc.

It's not designed, it's cobbled together by a bunch of amateurs.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-01-13 19:24:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Zim
Only reason I don't like Python, is I don't like how it forces the whitespace format on me. So I went to Perl instead, when I wanted a proper scripting language.

Edit: Not to say python isn't a good language, it's fine, I've had to deal with an old project which was written in python. I just don't like the whitespace.

And the less that's said about the python code I had to endure, the better, because that **** would've been awful in any language. Seriously. 1000 monkies could've slapped typewriters and produced better code than that other guy did.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#34 - 2012-01-13 19:27:37 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Only reason I don't like Python, is I don't like how it forces the whitespace format on me. So I went to Perl instead, when I wanted a proper scripting language.

I work with other peoples' code, and the "forced prettiness" that Python has going helps a lot. Perl is OK, but not my fave. Just don't bring up Ruby.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-01-13 19:32:23 UTC
Barely looked at ruby, never got the urge to get into it.

Oh, I almost forgot, the fact that PHP didn't (and probably still don't) have proper scoping was hilarious. It had 2 scopes, global and function, and that was it. And I stumbled upon a bug where I think I declared a variable in a function, went into a foreach or a while loop or something where I assigned a value to that variable, and the instant I got out of that loop, it'd reverted to whatever it was before entering that loop. I forget what I had to do to work around it, but I think that basically was the final straw that broke the camel's back. vOv

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#36 - 2012-01-13 20:28:42 UTC
Xuko Nuki wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Xuko Nuki wrote:
Could we at least have a story?

It's faily self-explanatory, and hilarious too Big smile



I see now but would still like some narration Smile


A horrible russian steryotype set up his bot and left it running while he slept/ate/fapped but the bot forgot to activate the tank so it sat there taking the punishment like a boss untill the grey bard all turned red. The horrible russian steryotype had no idea untill he got back several hours later to find his corp, the alliance and all of EVE pointing and laughing at his stupidity.

He may or may not get banned for botting because damn, thats the only way this can happen.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#37 - 2012-01-13 20:30:07 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Xuko Nuki wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:
Xuko Nuki wrote:
Could we at least have a story?

It's faily self-explanatory, and hilarious too Big smile



I see now but would still like some narration Smile


A horrible russian steryotype set up his bot and left it running while he slept/ate/fapped but the bot forgot to activate the tank so it sat there taking the punishment like a boss untill the grey bard all turned red. The horrible russian steryotype had no idea untill he got back several hours later to find his corp, the alliance and all of EVE pointing and laughing at his stupidity.

He may or may not get banned for botting because damn, thats the only way this can happen.

If he was not botting, he should still get banned for having no clue at all how Eve works and being able to fly a supercap.

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