Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If they're waiting on the skills before doing stuff then yes it can seem like a long time, and it's the wrong way to approach Eve. However, if it's 4 day spent doing something like the epic arc while the skills train then it flies by; and by the time they get to Dagan they may well be able to field 5 drones.

What do you think a new player does in their first few days or weeks that requires the use of 5 drones?

How is it a balance issue? Out of the 12 T1 racial ships that a Gallente newbie is likely to fly only 3 (25%) have a drone bonus:

• 6 frigates to choose from, 1 has a drone bonus.
• 2 destroyers to choose from, 1 has a drone bonus.
• 4 cruisers to choose from, 1 has a drone bonus.

While some of those ships do have specialist roles, most are more than capable at making stuff explode.

What you suggest wouldn't necessarily be an improvement, and given the fairly recent boost in SP that newbies have received will likely be seen as pandering to the instant gratification crowd and an instance of "won't someone think of the children"

Historically we have abused the crap out of poorly thought out ideas that CCP are daft enough to implement; something to consider.

Edit: You're the guy that was asking for a market mechanic change because you made a typo aren't you? I suggest that you learn the how and the why of the way the game currently works before making any more suggestions for "improvements" to the game.

You're not meant to solo Dagan as a newbie, that's the whole reason he's so damn hard to kill when you have low SP; the mission is there to get you to shout for help in local, which you will nearly always get.

When you can provide an argument that supports your suggestion beyond your opinion and "think of the children", then we shall provide counter arguments.

You know nothing Jon Snow; I can think of several ways to abuse it straight off the bat and that's just for PvE purposes, the PvP guys would come up with many many more.

Nowhere did I say that your view of the game was wrong, I suggested that you don't have enough knowledge, as is obvious by your posting, about the whys and hows of the game to be making suggestions for improvements.

Presenting an informed and well structured proposal would have gotten you a far better response than the post you started this thread with.

The nays would overwhelming win the day though, your idea is simply a variation on the SP whines of the past.

you have drone interfacing and other skills to increase damage. isn't it enough?

Idea appreciated. o/

You know Lugh, I've liked the cut of your jib for a few years. I'm surprised at this post. I'm OK w/ you buying in to the drone meta - for a lot of players it's the right thing to do. BUT getting on board w/ this millennial and saying a 4 day train is a roadblock and hurts new player retention is just out of character for you.?!?!??

4 days to use 5 drones..... what's the next unbearable roadblock? - 6 days to get into an inty so that you can free travel null bubble camps?

What the 4 day train actually does is let the new player see and experience his dps going up as he trains for and adds additional drones to his bay. It's one of the biggest bangs for the buck as far as training time goes. Removing this joy from the new player will most certainly hurt the retention of new players more than it will help them.

Your idea wouldn't end eve, but it would definitely be a brick in the road to eve's failure.

I think we need to go the other direction and shrink most ships' drone bays.

That's the spirit. If we get more player like you and your zen thinking, EVE would be better of.

You have the right idea right from the beginning which is, do not train everything to 5 yet. Having a skill at level 3 or 4 is enough to get you started and whenever you know you won't be here, put the level 4 or5 in the que so they are done when you come home.

Name me another weapon system that a day 1 newbie (of the right race obviously) can not fit a full rack of to a frigate or destroyer.
Yes they might need PG or CPU upgrades to do it in certain cases but to get T1 Micro reactors is what.... a 14 minute train or something like that?

Frankly this is not a situation where Malcanis' law applies. The T1 drones without any support skills will not be abusable, any 'abuses' can already be done with turret ships anyway. And any Vets in a position to abuse it are in a position to wait the 4 days also.
This has been brought up many times, and every time has been a good idea, it's not demanding T2 drones for IV skills or anything like that, it's just saying 'hey, let me actually use my weapon system without training a skill to V which is meant for specialisation, not basic fitting'

Now that you get 10k extra SP every 22 hr or so, is this over?

To me this whole topic misses the point. At the very start a Tristan with three drones is reasonably well balanced against the other T1 frigates. As the characters skills increase all ships get an increase in DPS the Tristan from more drones and from support skills that make those drones better, while all the other ships get their increased DPS from better guns / missiles and support skills that make them better.

Going back to the OP giving that Tristan pilot five drones from day one unbalances the Tristan by giving it more DPS and more utility than any of the other T1 frigates. So in the end what you see as something that is useless and has no place in the game is actually the opposite, it is needed to keep this class of ships in balance as the new characters that fly them increase in skill points.

As soon as you get PG/CPU requirement for your drones...