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Hey folks. This is a quick update to the numbers that had been earlier posted in this thread.

As we announced in the Fanfest Structures presentation, we are planning a smaller change to market taxes than had been announced earlier. This more incremental change is intended to reflect the fact that some extra features such as contracts that are ideal for a market hub will not be released in Citadels until a future date. We also want to gain the ability to observe how the market adjusts to these smaller changes and then use that information to advise future tweaks.

The currently planned market tax values are:

3% Broker’s Fee

• Reduced to 2.5% with skills and 2% with both skills and max NPC standings
• Is sunk from the game in NPC stations, is paid to owners in outposts, is customizable and paid to owners in Citadels
• Skills and standings don’t apply in player structures

Broker’s fee formula: 3% brokers fee - ([Broker Relation skill level]0.1 + [Faction Standing level]0.03 + [Corp Standing level]*0.02)

2 % Transaction Tax

• Reduced to 1 % with max skills
• Is sunk from the game in all locations and is not customizable

We intend to tweak these taxes further at a later point after contracts have been added to citadels. The exact values of that next round of tweaks would depend on the metrics after this first release.


We are also making an adjustment to the plan for reprocessing rigs in Citadels. The earlier plan had two security bands for reprocessing rig bonuses, one for highsec and another for low/null/wh. We are separating lowsec into its own band with intermediate reprocessing rig bonuses to preserve the advantage of nullsec refining.

The new values are:
Unrigged Citadel (in all areas of space): 50%
T1 rigged Highsec Citadel: 52%
T2 rigged Highsec Citadel: 54%
T1 rigged Lowsec Citadel: 55.12%
T2 rigged Lowsec Citadel: 57.24%
T1 rigged Null/WH Citadel: 58.24%
T2 rigged Null/WH Citadel: 60.48%

Thanks and good luck with all your post-Citadel plans!

Thank you for the change sir

So that's...a comparative nerf to LS refining? (I recall the current numbers being higher)

More importantly, I'd really like to restate my question from the thread: Have you considered all the outcomes (lowered trade volume, increased prices, higher prices for noobs) and do you think that those are positive outcomes?

There's obviously a lot of backdraft from people who think this is a terrible idea, but I'd like to ask for an in-depth explanation of what you envision happening with these tax increases, please.

Edit... nvm I am dumb... I forget you guys build things out there and probably don't want to ship the minerals uncompressed.

So as things stand atm, a standard pos gives a base refining rate of 52% With a max refining rate of 75.3%.

An Intensive array gives 54% and 78.1% respectively.

Has anyone worked out the refining % on a rigged Medium Citadel with max skills yet? Because it's going to have to be a hell of a lot better to make it even remotely worthwhile, particularly as it has a base rate of 50%. Bearing in mind the fuel costs I don't think it's going to be possible to make it anywhere close to as profitable, not in the short, or long term.

It's a buff to lowsec, but still a long term death knell to Highsec.
You can't remove citadels to avoid a wardec, they cost the same no matter the area of space, they should give the same reward for use in any area of space since they require the same investment. Otherwise it gives an unbeatable materials advantage to Null/WH's. Which is terrible for the game.

Because being next door to Jita isn't an advantage at all.

What the hell has Jita got to do with it?

I haven't been there in over 2 years, and I doubt I will in the next 2 if i'm here.

Apparently they rounded it up in the changes due to legacy code, I just googled it to make sure, I checked 3 different sites as well.

However, we wanted base Reprocessing Array rates to be higher than NPC stations, thus at 52 and 54%. However, since skills are not taken into account for those, we set them up to artificially count as if you have max skills + implant, thus giving them 75.3% and 78.1%.

Outposts will still be on top of those, with a base rate of 60% when fulling upgraded. As such, with max skills and the implant you'll get a maximum reprocessing rate of 86.8% there.

Is that less confusing now?

That includes the rx-804 implant as well.

Yes he really did say that.

If you haven't been in Jita, you probably haven't done significant business.