Crime & Punishment

You guys tried that fake praise with the Zopiclone incident. It's not working here. Thanks for the salt disguised to not look like salt though.


You see, ganking was never eliminated from Eve because there are times when it's necessary. You know, like when somebody is untouchable in all other aspects. Even Awoxing was necessary. The problems started when your ilk took to abuse of the mechanics, like bumping for example.

Next you will claim that we want ganking removed from the game entirely, then some projecting, then some gaslighting, then some more projecting, then insults and flaming, then the thread gets locks. So I'll start ignoring you now.

Ozzie, sorry to butt in; just curious as to the uniform in the picture. If you don't know, perhaps someone else in C&P can enlighten me?

I can imagine your portrait hanging behind someone's desk or on an executive's wall. Perhaps you can Gimp it into the Capn's Quarters.....?

For god's sake. Man up. If you want to shoot, then shoot. Don't just stand there going in circles grasping at every mechanic you can possible include in your playstyle. Not every change in game is related to ganking. Bumping is bumping and ganking is ganking. Outside of highsec people bump too and I don't hear them complain?

Damage Controls becoming a passive unit and the corresponding blanket resists impacted a lot of ships, especially frigates, non-Gallente boats, those with few lows to spare and yes, coincidentially freighters too.

The rules apply to ALL highsec dwellers, after all. The HP on your Catalyst/Talos got buffed too. And no we can't smartbomb 55 catalysts at once because we might hit that one cloaky guy and get concordokkened ourselves because of it. We'd happily light a cyno and drop a couple of archons to rep our multi billion freighter but we can't do that either.

The rules are quite simple: you have 30 seconds to make your move. So either you make a move or you don't - nothing has changed in that regard.

Can I ask... why do you want a PvE server? To get rid of concord? Because, you know, there is a region of space on the TQ PvP server where concord doesn't bother you. I've never seen New Order agents go anywhere near. I wonder why.

Just one more Nerf (tm)

Herzie, you can cry a river, but the facts are that game mechanics are being abused all the time.
Bumping was used in every single space.

And now thanks to crybabies like you, everyone who used it as a legit tactic is being penalized.

Htfu, if you don't like how the mechanics work, let me remind you that no one is forcing you to pay

Hi Brokk, this buff is worthless to suicide-gankers, whose ships will be snuffed out by CONCORD whatever their HP.

Hi Herzog, I think what you're saying is that I'm trying to be clever by spinning failure into success. I know you'll correct me if I'm wrong!

In fact, I am the world's worst liar, and always have been. I find it impossible to do other than speak as I find. Spinning is, in effect, lying, and I take no part in it. I truly believe what I say and write, and while I understand that you might be able to read into my words some unintended meaning, you have my absolute assurance that I was speaking the truth as I saw it.

For me, to suggest otherwise is far worse than the flaming and insults you mentioned in an earlier post. I say that as Rob Thompson and not as Sasha Nemtsov.

Ganking = the act of overheating everything and inflicting as much damage as possible as fast as possible.
Highsec ganking = the same, but attempting to destroy the target in 30 seconds or less; suiciding one's craft in the process.

Bumping = totally unrelated afaik. Please correct if wrong.

Then...



Friends, here you see the classic cognitive dissonance apparent in many of the opponents of highsec ganking in back-to-back posts none-the-less. These players cannot help but argue out of both sides of there mouths that gankers ("your ilk") are simultaneously 'abusing' game mechanics so bad that CCP just has to step in and save the game, while simultaneously having no effect what-so-ever on the greater game as that their targets don't even notice them. Which is it? because it cannot be both versions of your narrative.

If bumping wasn't causing any problem for players as they had factored in the loss ("didn't want that freighter anyways" to paraphrase the subject here) and they had accounted for any losses to gankers or ransomers, why does anything need to be done? If freighters are still AFKing through the pipes in overwhelming numbers, how serious can this alleged abuse of game mechanics be?

C&P denizens, this is just a classic case of a player crying 'abuse' of game mechanics against their opponent to gain an in-game advantage, exactly as players have been doing since the forums and servers went live. No one, anywhere, has cried 'abuse' when some group used the bumping mechanic to keep a Titan from escaping. Yet, for some players using the same mechanic to hunt a "defenceless" freighter is some how exploiting the game engine for an unfair advantage.

Look, you don't have to like ganking. Criminals and criminal behaviour have been purposely put in the game by CCP to generate such feelings and stimulate the player content between the criminals, their victims, and their defenders/avengers. It is childish to argue that playing as a criminal by AWOXing or bumping someone is 'abuse' in the sandbox just as it is to deride criminals or the New Order for failing to stop every AFK freighter. Eve would be a pretty ****-poor game if gankers could indeed stop and destroy every hauler in highsec, just as it would be a terrible game if anti-gankers could completely prevent every single gank in highsec. The whole point is to struggle and compete and from a top-level view, the game is succeeding. Sure, the sandbox isn't perfect and we all have our own views on how things could be made better, but there are many players logging in and participating in the good vs. evil battle on both sides in our beautiful game each and every day.

Bumping is of relatively little consequence. It is one tool among many that highsec-content creators use impose their will on other players, and one that is really only useful against one class of ship now. Gankers who use it will adapt (and a suicide scram is not that much of an adaptation) and while CCP may be slightly nerfing it, with the other hand they have provided the wonderful fountain of emergent gameplay of Citadels and other structures whose long unanchor time opens a whole new front against the carebears. The game constantly changes, and if you think this at all changes the core principles of the game or the type of game play that will go on, you are deluding yourself.

With each of these "one more nerfs" that is implemented part of me perversely hopes it will be the one that does break the highsec ne'er-do-wells and stops ganking just to see what CCP does. But lucky for CCP, gankers seem to take each nerf in stride (ok, sometimes in stride after a little whining first), while using other changes to their advantage. Some day they may get there (although I believe there will be a complete redesign of the criminal mechanics before we hit such a tipping point), but now that gank alts are effectively free with skill point trading, there is a lot of breathing room for gankers just to N+1 any nerfs to the mechanics until CCP gets around to revisiting the fundamental design of highsec and putting it back into balance.

So unless CCP massively changes direction and does make highsec PvP purely consensual, the New Order will go on, serving as agents of risk and exploding the complacent and the incompetent while enjoying the game, and I hope being resisted by similarly-minded players. Lately I have seen some glimmer of anti-gankers actually having fun in their channel rather than the normal wallowing in their own bitterness that was common there a year or two ago. Stay strong AG and positive and keep fighting the good fight!

Well done, Pedro. Your projecting is a perfect example of projecting. I still await the answer regarding my inquiry about being able to hold a ship from warping without consequences. After all, your ilk is all about consequences, right?

By the way, AG exists because it's content. You call yourselves content providers. Enjoy your success. Last night I did things in game I never though I would do, using new client tools I never thought I would use.

Opponent you call me. Heh. I was getting worried you guys were going to hide in Saranen with the rest of your ilk.

I like the idea of a large wall with these pics on , in need to frame it now, Marshall of the French Empire 18th century

I'll do more after my WWB pic , sorry to ask here anyone know the leaders of the two sides i need for the MBC 2 female char and 1 male , then for the Goons 2 males one of which is Mattani and 2 females