EVE General Discussion

not even dry? try it is still being painted we still have a day till its in the game

Oh man. I just love it when the word "carebear" gets flung around, when in threads such as these it is mostly the gankers crying it ain't fair.

It's easy: IF your ganksquad is ready, nothing changes.

One would almost think they're "entitled" or somesuch nonsense.



I do agree there is a problem with highsec in general though; it'd be a lot more entertaining if (1) docking rights for criminals were revoked (2) there'd be no faction police and (3) concord would start off with frigs and gradually step up the game eventually dropping battleships -- including a chance to get away with it.

Perhaps not "the" perfect solution, but far more engaging than the 30 second window we have now. A larger window of opportunity would encourage antigankers to form and roam the spacelanes. It's bad when an NPC corp has to do a player's job.



On topic of bumping... I can't see any reasonable line of thinking that allows warp disruption without criminal flag. Piling bad mechanics on top of flawed concepts will not improve the design. Already the fact that empires highsec borders meet each other without some lowsec in between is poorly conceived. We need more reasons to shoot one another in proper fleet battles. We do not need to bicker over 30 seconds of spasm only because the game mechanics don't allow anything else. There is no PvP honour in throwing 2 mil catalysts at unarmed targets while operating in NPC corps under Concord protection yourself. Enough with the "carebear" already, focus on the mechanics please.

Brokk out. Fly safe 'n all that. (or die trying)

I agree that is usually customary to wait for the incoming ganking nerf to be implemented before asking for the 'one more' that will make everything balanced. Otherwise, how can you keep up the pretense that this is the one that is going to finally set things straight?

But more generally, you are absolutely correct. The problem is that years of carebear whining (and the resulting cascade of 'one more nerfs') has resulted in ganking penalties so onerous, and a NPC response so much more efficient and powerful than players could ever hope to be. No matter how many guns you gave a freighter, it could never approach the power and influence the CONCORD response brings to a PvP engagement so aside from some false psychological value, it would do nothing to make a difference. When you already set the bar at multiple dozen ships to even attempt an attack on a freighter, a few more to deal with the meager damage a freighter could do means little.

Players can't really have it both ways. Either you benefit from the increasingly punitive safety blanket of highsec that has criminal penalties so onerous (like the faction police) it keeps criminals in stations except briefly to strike, and a CONCORD response so quick and powerful that it makes it impossible for your friends to come help you or even make a difference if they do show up, or you have more moderate restrictions that allow criminals to fly in space and give good fights, and slower and less omnipotent CONCORD response that could potentially allow more nuanced fights to take place. Clearly some protection or safety system is needed in highsec of course, but complaining that criminals are not vulnerable enough or ganking isn't interesting enough when the very restrictive mechanics carebears whined for over the years is what forces criminals to use such overwhelming force in hit and run strikes is completely missing the big picture.

The reality is criminals are going to commit crimes and do their part to keep a little bit of risk in highsec as the developers of the game intend whether the game allows them to use something other than suicide catalysts or not. Don't hate the player hate the game and all that. But the game could really be much better if the whole mechanic was rethought from the ground up so that quick, suicide strikes were not the only mechanism to waylay a freighter and there was potential for escalation on both sides. But until then, gankers are still gonna gank with or without this slight modification changing bump->repeat->gank to bump->point ->repeat->gank and players (usually recently exploded ones) will keep coming to these forums with that one nerf that if implement, would suddenly make ganking fair and balanced.

It's one of those eternal circles of Eve.

All damage inflicted by a PvP enthusiast to any ship in high sec is already reflected back when space 5-0 shows up. I fail to see how this addresses anything. A freighter reflects damage back at their assailant while CONCORD is shooting at them as well?

I totally understand. I myself have poorly thought out or even stupid ideas all the time. Now get out of my head! There's only room for so many in here!

Even before there was hauling "minerals" turned into modules with carriers loaded with frigates equipped with capital class modules.
Then several nerfs come (module refining, being unable to move ships with illegal modules and so on).

Looking at the price of hauling stuff, I'd say it isn't dangerous enough.

I agree, it's safe enough that Red Frog managed a 99%+ successful delivery rate last year according to their annual report; I don't believe they specified how many failures were down to ganks, they did bump their prices fairly recently though.

There again, I'd say that Red Frog, being professionals, put a damn sight more effort into not getting ganked than the usual hapless victim does.

Read the first three words of each sentence in your reply there.

So they do protect then, even as a reactive measure.

That is the same with CONCORD.

And, no. Your point was that Ima didn't understand the meaning of the word protection, yet you demonstrated that exact same lack of understanding in your reply to her.

I didn't say CONCORD defends anyone and I'm not defending CODE. They are big enough to defend themselves.

You claimed that CONCORD does not protect. You made that claim on the basis of asserting that another player does not know the meaning of the word.

Yet you completely misrepresented it in your post.

I was just pointing out your limited understanding. Not anything to do with CODE.

As to being an NPC alt, so what? Is that illegal? Am I going to be ban hammered for posting in the forum using an character in an NPC corp?

Just pointing out the stupidity of calling out another player when you don't understand the meaning yourself. If you call out other players, then you better be pretty sure of your ground. Stones and glass houses and all that.