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Mira Chieve
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#1 - 2016-04-23 16:42:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Mira Chieve
Am I the only one around here who thinks the Mega could use a little help ?

Anytime I get in the mood to fly a solo Mega it always strikes me how much worse it actually is compared to the other Gallente BS.

The Hype gets a utility high, extra mid, similar dps and much more durable tank. The only thing the Mega has going it´s way is speed. But if I wanted to fly a nano BS, then I would just pick the Tempest, which is faster, has 2 utility highs, has an extra mid and can hit further out.

So basically whether you choose to brawl or kite with it, there is always something that outclasses it quite severly. Actually, I have quite some trouble trying to understand the role this ship has.

Brawling with 4 mids and no utility highs is pretty difficult and the other gallente BS do it better. It is not terrible at brawling, but it doesnt shine too much either.
I can see some potential in it used as a kiter, but it could really use an extra mid (mwd, long point, cb and grappler leave no room for an MJD or a standard web) OR a utility high (no neuts or MJD means a ceptor can keep you pointed forever). I could always drop a gun for a neut, just as well as I could drop that abomination for a Tempest straight away.

(All of this is evaluated from the viewpoint of flying it solo, without links or imps)

Maybe my evaluation is incorrect, in which case I would appreciate some advice, but at the moment I do not see enough merit in flying the Mega instead of the other superior variants. Which is quite a shame, since the Mega looks 100 percent cooler than the other ships.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2016-04-23 17:57:41 UTC
It is kinda weird how the Hyperion has extra mid slot, extra high slot, more armor, more cannons (Not to mention dmg bonus), and it has a much larger drone bay...
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#3 - 2016-04-23 18:43:16 UTC
Hyperion is much more expensive than a Mega, and slow as a snail. For the *similar* DPS, in the same situations, you'd rather have the faster, cheaper Mega. My Mega fit will generally out DPS most Hyperion fits though, so I don't really agree with the similar DPS comment.
Mega will get much more DPS and tank than a Tempest. If a Mega gets ahold of a Tempest, the Tempest will die. So conditions are the issue there. Station games for the Mega, Gates for the kitey Tempest.

I think the Mega used to be able to field 5 large drones.. 175 capacity with 125 bandwidth.
In those days it was considered the most feared brawler in the game. I could be wrong about the drone stats, but I remember traing for T2 Ogres specifically because they were so bad-ass.
Mira Chieve
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#4 - 2016-04-23 19:29:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Mira Chieve
RavenPaine wrote:
Hyperion is much more expensive than a Mega, and slow as a snail. For the *similar* DPS, in the same situations, you'd rather have the faster, cheaper Mega. My Mega fit will generally out DPS most Hyperion fits though, so I don't really agree with the similar DPS comment.
Mega will get much more DPS and tank than a Tempest. If a Mega gets ahold of a Tempest, the Tempest will die. So conditions are the issue there. Station games for the Mega, Gates for the kitey Tempest.

I think the Mega used to be able to field 5 large drones.. 175 capacity with 125 bandwidth.
In those days it was considered the most feared brawler in the game. I could be wrong about the drone stats, but I remember traing for T2 Ogres specifically because they were so bad-ass.


Well, I said similar DPS, and not identical. For the record, I calculated the Mega dps with light drones only, since I find 10x light + 5x ECM superior than one full DPS flight, espacially when most of the time you will need to deal with frigs and cancermobiles getting too close. The other Hype´s advantages outweight the small dps difference by a significant margin. The Hype being slower I do not see as a problem, especially if I want to use it as a brawler, which will be scrammed all the time anyway. After insurance hull price does not matter at all.

When comparing to the Tempest, I didnt compare brawling fits, but nanokite fits with a LAAR for local rep. But since the Tempest is faster, it will simply kite the Mega or neut it out due to 2x heavy neut.

Basically, my argument was:

Brawl: Domi, Hype > Mega
Kite: Tempest > Mega

So give Mega a bit of help somewhere
Kethen T'val
Dontopiax Mining Inc.
#5 - 2016-04-24 11:33:50 UTC
Tracking tracking tracking
Valkin Mordirc
#6 - 2016-04-24 13:03:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkin Mordirc
The Mega tracks better far better. It's the main reason to use it over the hype.
Mega's are faster speeds and align times
The Mega with the extra low actually does more DPS if you fit it for dps, Dropping a plate for a Mag Stab. (Use a DPS wing for drones, 2 Ogres, 2 Hammers, 1 Hob. though you are right as warriors tend to put to more use)
The mega supports a better passive tank then a hype, if you fit it with three plates

Hype's have better capacitor
More drones,
Can support a proper active tank.
Hype has more fitting room.


Generally all of the Gal BS lines are really good and have great roles. Generally you want to use Mega when you have RR support, and Hypes when you don't.


Also Local repped Hypes are very common, and only tend to put out 900ish dps. If you're using gecko's and a Fed MagStab you'll break a 1000, but in general Mega's will out DPS Hype due to the meta. While Passive Hype's tend to have less tank, as they can only fit 2 Plates 2 ENAMS and 2 MagStabs, the Mega can Fit 2 ENAMS 2/3 plates 2/3 Magstabs, or a nano, ECCM or whatever you need making them a bit more flexible,
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Stefanie C Villa
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2016-04-24 17:21:29 UTC
Stop talking about kiting Megathrons. Roll
big miker
Frogleap Factories
#8 - 2016-04-24 18:15:58 UTC
Stefanie C Villa wrote:
Stop talking about kiting Megathrons. Roll


What's wrong with kiting Megathrons? Pirate

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Mira Chieve
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#9 - 2016-04-25 13:12:51 UTC
big miker wrote:
What's wrong with kiting Megathrons? Pirate


HICs. **** ´em all, one cant even do a proper solo bs roam anymore.



But anyway, after doing some more EFT warrioring a kiting Mega might not be absolutely terrible, with some TEs and gun rigs it can hit with null pretty far while having nice tracking and good speed. It will need to do without an MJD tho, but one cant have everything I guess.

I refuse to use it as a brawler anymore tho, 4 mids and no neut is a pretty serious disadvantage.
Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2016-04-25 15:32:36 UTC
Mira Chieve wrote:
big miker wrote:
What's wrong with kiting Megathrons? Pirate


HICs. **** ´em all, one cant even do a proper solo bs roam anymore.



But anyway, after doing some more EFT warrioring a kiting Mega might not be absolutely terrible, with some TEs and gun rigs it can hit with null pretty far while having nice tracking and good speed. It will need to do without an MJD tho, but one cant have everything I guess.

I refuse to use it as a brawler anymore tho, 4 mids and no neut is a pretty serious disadvantage.


Still plenty of gangs not using HICs till they all wise up solo kite BS all day :D.
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#11 - 2016-04-26 01:03:05 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:

I think the Mega used to be able to field 5 large drones..


and it had 2 missile launchers
Uppsy Daisy
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2016-04-26 08:52:44 UTC
The Mega is not a solo boat.

It's designed to be a fleet ship.

It really is as simple as that.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#13 - 2016-04-26 10:26:10 UTC
Mira Chieve wrote:

Basically, my argument was:

Brawl: Domi, Hype > Mega
Kite: Tempest > Mega

So give Mega a bit of help somewhere


so (since you compare across races) what you're saying is that Mega should be either best brawler in the game or best kiter in the game?

There are like 3 Battleships per race, makes 12 in total, faction ships not counted in.
If you start to divide them into 2 categories, as you did, just 2 of 12 can be best at their role.