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PI production declining

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Aryn
Blessing of Unicorns
#1 - 2016-04-20 14:19:12 UTC
Hello,
I run PI in a WH. I have 5 alts all with CC lvl4, IC lvl4, RS lvl2.

Over the last three weeks I have noticed a decline in isk/day generated by these alts. All planets produce P0=>P1 with one alt running a factory planet making Enriched Uranium. I started the EU production beginning week 2 and no longer export toxic/precious metals. The least productive extractor is running P0 @ 40k/hr and the most productive is running about 60k/hr.

I am seeing about a 20% reduction in PI isk/hr generated from week 1 to week 2. Week 2 to week 3 was a 30% reduction (almost half of week 1 production).

Can you tell me if this is a reduction due to materiel on planet being used (but if so, why am I still able to extract roughly the same total amount of PI?)? Or is this the nature of the market? Or can I expect an upswing as more EU is produced?

I am puzzled with my production and wish to understand why total amount of isk is decreasing.

Thank you
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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#2 - 2016-04-20 15:47:51 UTC
https://www.fuzzwork.co.uk/market/link/10000002/44

It's probably the market.

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Jessie McPewpew
U2EZ
#3 - 2016-04-21 03:17:52 UTC
That's actually a good thing in my book if this lasts up till the citadel release. Can't say the same for you though. Cry
Loutro Fift
Hoplite Brigade
Ushra'Khan
#4 - 2016-04-22 00:17:15 UTC
EU was selling for about 10,500 end of last year. About a month ago it peaked between 13,500-14,000 depending where you sold it. Now it's back below 11,000. That's almost a 30% drop.

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I started the EU production beginning week 2 and no longer export toxic/precious metals.

How do you mean no longer export...?
Aryn
Blessing of Unicorns
#5 - 2016-04-22 09:35:25 UTC
Primary objective was to produce Po->P1 then export (move out of the wh) all the P1 and sell on the market since I assumed that since I don't have perfect skills that processing to P3 would be worthwhile.

Secondary objective was to produce EU/Cool and export that plus whatever odd P1 I had laying around. As you can see, this was at first profitable.

Well, now with EU prices dropping, I feel I will go back to P0->P1 production.
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#6 - 2016-04-22 11:49:55 UTC
P0-P1 is rarely worthwhile, especially when living in a wh. The amount of work to move it alone makes it less than worthwhile...

Personally I'd recommend 4 extraction P0-P1 planets, and one factory planet. EU is usually the best bet for these. Scales pretty well as you add more characters as well. I personally like to set up my factory on an ice or storm planet and also make a little O2 on the side, nice for if you're making fuel.

On a side note, if you don't have lvl 4 in the basic skills, you probably want to train them up. They're fairly short skills and definitely worth it.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#7 - 2016-04-22 13:32:33 UTC
Cracking P1 to P2 is well worthwhile as it's an ersatz form of compression, the ISK/Epithal load is far higher.

Sheeth Athonille wrote:
I personally like to set up my factory on an ice or storm planet and also make a little O2 on the side, nice for if you're making fuel


I personally set up my factory planets on the smallest radius planets I can find in the system.

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Bur Khurelem
Sky Net Industries
Artificial Intellagence
#8 - 2016-04-25 19:07:50 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:


Cracking P1 to P2 is well worthwhile as it's an ersatz form of compression, the ISK/Epithal load is far higher.

I personally set up my factory planets on the smallest radius planets I can find in the system.


Can I ask WHY you like smaller planets?

I'm new to PI as well.
Haffsol
#9 - 2016-04-25 19:22:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Haffsol
Bur Khurelem wrote:
Can I ask WHY you like smaller planets?

I'm new to PI as well.

Because links on Gas giant or anything bigger than say 15 km (gas can be up to 40km and more) will suck up a relatively big chunk off your total powergrid and lower the amount of facilities you can stuck on them. Another issue is when you build an extraction planet and find out you cannot move your extractor to a new drilling area because it's just too far to be linked and have to cut off one or two BIF/AIF. Consider also that on extraction planets you may need to upgrade the links and this requires even more pg. Of course this is even more the case for assembly planets, where you have to link maybe 20-30 strucures, don't go over 5km radius.
Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#10 - 2016-04-25 22:04:02 UTC
Haffsol wrote:
Bur Khurelem wrote:
Can I ask WHY you like smaller planets?

I'm new to PI as well.

Because links on Gas giant or anything bigger than say 15 km (gas can be up to 40km and more) will suck up a relatively big chunk off your total powergrid and lower the amount of facilities you can stuck on them. Another issue is when you build an extraction planet and find out you cannot move your extractor to a new drilling area because it's just too far to be linked and have to cut off one or two BIF/AIF. Consider also that on extraction planets you may need to upgrade the links and this requires even more pg. Of course this is even more the case for assembly planets, where you have to link maybe 20-30 strucures, don't go over 5km radius.


Pretty much what he said, but I'm going to go ahead and assume he meant those km numbers to be in the thousands. Otherwise you're talking asteroid size lol