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Oracle for PvE

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Teium Purvanen
Doomheim
#1 - 2016-04-24 13:32:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Teium Purvanen
Hey all,

Firstly I know Oracles aren't the best at PvE due to frigates being a problem.

Is it possible though?

My biggest problem is that I want to go solo, but I refuse to fly a ship that I don't like the look of. This makes like a little difficult I agree.

Would possibly consider the Myrmidon

Thanks
Teium
Francis Raven
GeoCorp.
The Initiative.
#2 - 2016-04-24 14:24:22 UTC
Fly what you enjoy.

I guess it would depend on the type of PVE you are interested in, and if this would be mostly solo or group PVE.

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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#3 - 2016-04-24 14:27:18 UTC
Teium Purvanen wrote:
Hey all,

Firstly I know Oracles aren't the best at PvE due to frigates being a problem.

Is it possible though?

My biggest problem is that I want to go solo, but I refuse to fly a ship that I don't like the look of. This makes like a little difficult I agree.

Would possibly consider the Myrmidon

Thanks
Teium

As Francis stated more information is needed.
There is PvE that the Oracle can do eaily, there is other PvE that it cannot do.
Solonius Rex
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-04-24 14:37:23 UTC
Teium Purvanen wrote:
Hey all,

Firstly I know Oracles aren't the best at PvE due to frigates being a problem.

Is it possible though?

My biggest problem is that I want to go solo, but I refuse to fly a ship that I don't like the look of. This makes like a little difficult I agree.

Would possibly consider the Myrmidon

Thanks
Teium


Oracle is going to struggle with the tank-aspect of things. It would be different if it could fit a MJD, but as it stands, youre probably going to be having Capacitor problems as you move around with your MWD to try and kite the ships.

Its not impossible, just slow. Youre gonna need to warp in and out as you have to keep repairing your ship.

Myrmidon is a lot better.
Dak Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-04-24 15:42:09 UTC
Beam Oracles are pretty legit for anomalies in Blood Raider space. I used them when I lived in Delve for running forsaken hubs. Massive dps and no tank needed as long as you stay >60km from stuff and remember to kill Popes first. Frigates weren't really an issue since they'd fly straight at you and get volleyed.
Teium Purvanen
Doomheim
#6 - 2016-04-24 16:28:10 UTC
Francis Raven wrote:
Fly what you enjoy.

I guess it would depend on the type of PVE you are interested in, and if this would be mostly solo or group PVE.




It would be solo content, but if i'm honest I don't know what types of PvE content there is. I guess doing anomaly content
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2016-04-24 22:57:12 UTC
Teium Purvanen wrote:


It would be solo content, but if i'm honest I don't know what types of PvE content there is.

Not sure what your hard-on is for solo content.

Off the top of my head I can think of:
Missions
Complexs
Anomalies
Belt ratting

Note that these are very general categories that branch out from there.

The Oracle is a medium ship that can fit large weapons and almost no tank. It also has not drones. PvE certainly is not it's strong point. However as others have said there are situations where it can be used. Mostly situations where you are sitting far enough out that you are not taking damage and sniping.

I've never used a MJD before but I thought BCs could use the medium ones. In the description it says combat Battlecruiser however I have no idea what a "combat" Battlecruiser is.

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2016-04-25 06:27:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Teium Purvanen wrote:
Francis Raven wrote:
Fly what you enjoy.

I guess it would depend on the type of PVE you are interested in, and if this would be mostly solo or group PVE.




It would be solo content, but if i'm honest I don't know what types of PvE content there is. I guess doing anomaly content

With an oracle ... Specific missions , belt rats , anoms, thats about it.

Oh and dead poses, they sortof count.
The problem is that this is going to happen eventually :
* in local * "hi guys, would one of you kind people please come and kill this frigate that got under my guns and pointed me please?"
This happens with the naga aswell and its fairly embarasing when it does (dont ask how i know that)

Now a myrm is a different matter,
one of those bad boys you should be able to run just about anything you can fit it in (or have the patience to warp it to)
Which would lead on to the eos eventually which is an outstanding ship, sort of like two vexors nailed togeather.

ergherhdfgh wrote:

I've never used a MJD before but I thought BCs could use the medium ones. In the description it says combat Battlecruiser however I have no idea what a "combat" Battlecruiser is.


The ones that arent the assault battlecruisers, abc's arent allowed use them because they would be all kinds of broken if they could.
Teium Purvanen
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-04-25 09:07:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Teium Purvanen
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Teium Purvanen wrote:


It would be solo content, but if i'm honest I don't know what types of PvE content there is.

Not sure what your hard-on is for solo content.





Whats wrong with wanting to do solo content?

Don't understand whats wrong with wanting to play Eve the way I want to :(
Teium Purvanen
Doomheim
#10 - 2016-04-25 09:09:02 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Teium Purvanen wrote:
Francis Raven wrote:
Fly what you enjoy.

I guess it would depend on the type of PVE you are interested in, and if this would be mostly solo or group PVE.




It would be solo content, but if i'm honest I don't know what types of PvE content there is. I guess doing anomaly content

With an oracle ... Specific missions , belt rats , anoms, thats about it.

Oh and dead poses, they sortof count.
The problem is that this is going to happen eventually :
* in local * "hi guys, would one of you kind people please come and kill this frigate that got under my guns and pointed me please?"
This happens with the naga aswell and its fairly embarasing when it does (dont ask how i know that)

Now a myrm is a different matter,
one of those bad boys you should be able to run just about anything you can fit it in (or have the patience to warp it to)
Which would lead on to the eos eventually which is an outstanding ship, sort of like two vexors nailed togeather.

ergherhdfgh wrote:

I've never used a MJD before but I thought BCs could use the medium ones. In the description it says combat Battlecruiser however I have no idea what a "combat" Battlecruiser is.


The ones that arent the assault battlecruisers, abc's arent allowed use them because they would be all kinds of broken if they could.


Yeah, I think the myrm is going to be my way forward. Thanks :) (yet again)
Kenrailae
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-04-25 09:58:11 UTC
Teium Purvanen wrote:
Hey all,

Firstly I know Oracles aren't the best at PvE due to frigates being a problem.

Is it possible though?

My biggest problem is that I want to go solo, but I refuse to fly a ship that I don't like the look of. This makes like a little difficult I agree.

Would possibly consider the Myrmidon

Thanks
Teium



There is a guy who hangs around the in game help channel who claims to use an Oracle for L3's. I've never done it though. I s'pose if you pick targets correctly it could be done.

However, I have used the myrm quite a bit in the past. I Even got to a point(before I got into a tengu) where I was so bored with L4's in a Megathron, I used a Dual rep AB Myrm, because it was more active piloting and still worked well enough. Few years ago though. A myrm will serve you well. Best of Luck!

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2016-04-25 10:54:29 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

The problem is that this is going to happen eventually :
* in local * "hi guys, would one of you kind people please come and kill this frigate that got under my guns and pointed me please?"
This happens with the naga aswell and its fairly embarasing when it does (dont ask how i know that)

Usually mission and Anom NPCs are tethered to a 250K range from their spawn point. You can usually just head away from where they spawned and they will leave you and head back to where they came from. They will not "reset" and come back at you until they reach their spawn point.

That is typical behavior that I have noticed. I can't say it always works that way however.

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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2016-04-25 11:05:10 UTC
Teium Purvanen wrote:
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Teium Purvanen wrote:


It would be solo content, but if i'm honest I don't know what types of PvE content there is.

Not sure what your hard-on is for solo content.





Whats wrong with wanting to do solo content?

Don't understand whats wrong with wanting to play Eve the way I want to :(

If you reread my quote above the word "wrong" is nowhere to be found in there.

This game is intentionally focused on group activities as in my opinion all MMOs should be otherwise what is the point of it being an MMO.

Anyway back to my original statement. I just did not understand why you are so dead set on doing things solo.

You are asking a lot of questions here in the NC Q&A, which I don't have a problem with, that is why we are here but it is a signal to me that you likely have not made many friends in game yet. My point is that this game is more enjoyable with friends. So my recommendation would be to make friends not try harder to do stuff solo.

It is your game and you can play it however you like. I'm just saying if you wind up leaving this game because it's too boring or too hard don't blame if you never bothered to go out and make friends in this MMO.

Many other scripted MMOs have deep and engaging solo PvE content. IMHO WoW is more of a solo game now-a-days than an MMO. Eve is not like that. The PvE in Eve is pretty basic and really only there as a means of income to pay for ship losses.

So do as you like but if you want to solo Eve and stick to PvE content in high sec this game will likely suck for you after not too long.

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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#14 - 2016-04-25 12:36:38 UTC
Attack battlecruisers really aren't intended to be used for PVE.
Teium Purvanen
Doomheim
#15 - 2016-04-25 12:47:16 UTC
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Teium Purvanen wrote:
ergherhdfgh wrote:
Teium Purvanen wrote:


It would be solo content, but if i'm honest I don't know what types of PvE content there is.

Not sure what your hard-on is for solo content.





Whats wrong with wanting to do solo content?

Don't understand whats wrong with wanting to play Eve the way I want to :(

If you reread my quote above the word "wrong" is nowhere to be found in there.

This game is intentionally focused on group activities as in my opinion all MMOs should be otherwise what is the point of it being an MMO.

Anyway back to my original statement. I just did not understand why you are so dead set on doing things solo.

You are asking a lot of questions here in the NC Q&A, which I don't have a problem with, that is why we are here but it is a signal to me that you likely have not made many friends in game yet. My point is that this game is more enjoyable with friends. So my recommendation would be to make friends not try harder to do stuff solo.

It is your game and you can play it however you like. I'm just saying if you wind up leaving this game because it's too boring or too hard don't blame if you never bothered to go out and make friends in this MMO.

Many other scripted MMOs have deep and engaging solo PvE content. IMHO WoW is more of a solo game now-a-days than an MMO. Eve is not like that. The PvE in Eve is pretty basic and really only there as a means of income to pay for ship losses.

So do as you like but if you want to solo Eve and stick to PvE content in high sec this game will likely suck for you after not too long.


I don't have any friends in Eve. Keep myself to myself most of the time. in fact i don't think I've ever used in-game chat lol

If a time comes in the future that i'm feeling lonely or want to experience group content then I still have that arrow in my quiver

I understand i'm probably being a pain coming on here instead of joining a corp and asking them and i've already come across some draw backs of not being in a corp, but I have also discovered some pros :)

I know you're not condemning the way I play and I really appreciate the help and concern :)
Uriam Khanid
New Machinarium Corporation
#16 - 2016-04-25 14:07:10 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Attack battlecruisers really aren't intended to be used for PVE.


false statement. they are superior in most situation than BS
Uriam Khanid
New Machinarium Corporation
#17 - 2016-04-25 14:17:00 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

Oh and dead poses, they sortof count.
The problem is that this is going to happen eventually :
* in local * "hi guys, would one of you kind people please come and kill this frigate that got under my guns and pointed me please?"
This happens with the naga aswell and its fairly embarasing when it does (dont ask how i know that)


i am flying Oracle (my favorite for L4Cool) for L4 in caldari space, why i never suffer such problem?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#18 - 2016-04-25 14:27:32 UTC
Uriam Khanid wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

Oh and dead poses, they sortof count.
The problem is that this is going to happen eventually :
* in local * "hi guys, would one of you kind people please come and kill this frigate that got under my guns and pointed me please?"
This happens with the naga aswell and its fairly embarasing when it does (dont ask how i know that)


i am flying Oracle (my favorite for L4Cool) for L4 in caldari space, why i never suffer such problem?

Because you are bragging, of corse you have no problem.
And no they are objectivly worse , more skill dependant and considerably less veratile than battleships for just about everything that isnt fleet based pvp and even then they are situational at best.

Dont get me wrong now , i love the damn things they just arent all that usefull.
Teium Purvanen
Doomheim
#19 - 2016-04-25 14:37:00 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Uriam Khanid wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:

Oh and dead poses, they sortof count.
The problem is that this is going to happen eventually :
* in local * "hi guys, would one of you kind people please come and kill this frigate that got under my guns and pointed me please?"
This happens with the naga aswell and its fairly embarasing when it does (dont ask how i know that)


i am flying Oracle (my favorite for L4Cool) for L4 in caldari space, why i never suffer such problem?



Dont get me wrong now , i love the damn things they just arent all that usefull.



I love Amarr ships the best. My char must have got her body mixed up in the cloning process :P

Think i'll get an oracle to.......well......fly around in and use a Myrm as my ship to PvE. When i'm not buzzing around in my Anathema that is :D
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#20 - 2016-04-25 15:23:25 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Oh and dead poses, they sortof count.
The problem is that this is going to happen eventually :
* in local * "hi guys, would one of you kind people please come and kill this frigate that got under my guns and pointed me please?"
This happens with the naga aswell and its fairly embarasing when it does (dont ask how i know that).


This is one reason why I like Gallente boats. Some micro ship gets in too close, you have a couple of drones go play fun games with them.

To be honest though, tactics can kind of deal with this. Also, most larger platforms with heavy guns (unless you are skilled enough to surmount this issue) take so much power that they almost scream for at least one secondary turret. I'm hoping the new update with the large ships upgrade on the secondary batteries will resolve some of this.

I tend to favor long range ships and while I occasionally get a little ship under my guns, it's usually because I'm facing 10-15 of them at once and while you swat the flies, it does take time.

If you can find a way to board a drone or two, it's usually enough to get a leaker dealt with while you concentrate on the incoming targets. Running a long range ship is like a 3D version of Missile Command...
Shocked

P.S. You can also consider ECM. A large ship can usually jam a small one fairly easy as their sensors are weaker. If you can keep the small ship jammed and hit the Afterburner so it must tail chase, that gives your bigger guns less traverse issues. Manually piloting the ship into an inside 'arc' away from the small ship generates the same tail chase situation. If you cut down his transverse on your guns, he may as well be sitting still and he's wiped from existence.
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