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Dear CCP Ytterbium,

I sincerely hope that this is a just mistake or some sort of awfully bad humour. Because I am not sure what world you live in, however, in the world I live in, the current market price to build a Keepstar XL Citadel is approximently 210b ISK. Mind you this is just for the hull itself. (With original bill of materials, it is approximently 105b ISK)

I understand that they are supposed to be expensive and they should be, to a point. Of course, they are bigger than current Outposts, super capitals can dock into them and they can shoot stuff. So with original figures, they are already multiple orders of magnitude more expensive then Outposts and rightfully so.

However, these citadels are destructibles. They blow up. You can lose them. So while being very expensive, they should also be (this might not be the right word) but affordable enough or accessible enough that they are reasonably replaceable. That losing one doesn't end the owning alliance.

Of course, they shouldn't be so cheap that anyone and their dog can build one.

At 105b ISK and still rising price of the original figures. I believe is a balanced price point, because at double the price, it will be out of reach for many entities which are not the mega blocs and will be put at a massive disadvantage like it is not already bad enough.

At your ridiculous price point, it will become exclusive to entities where ISK is no object and the game will be worst off since they will be the only ones able to dock their fleet of super capitals for resupply or repairs or logoff in relative safety. While other entities receive further increased difficulty.

I am not sure what others feel about this since there doesn't seem to be much talk about it, but personally myself and few others I know are horrified when we heard of this news.

The game is already in a very bad state, and I honestly believe Citadels will make or break this game. However, if the game continues to progress in this direction, I would probably never know, since me and many of my corp and alliance mates will very likely have quit the game.

I urge you to reconsider this change in price, the original figure is good.

I have played EVE for almost 10 years, with every updates in regards to sovereignty it kills my passion for EVE a little. This mega bloc favoring change with the citadels is probably the last nail in the coffin that will make me finally quit.

Best Regards,
One of the few remaining EVE player.

Wouldn't you think the 700 Billion is price tag on the BPO would be the limiting factor, because if I spent 700B on a BPO Im not giving away copies so others can have awesome cities in the sky, buy your own blueprint.

Ben

I did not agree they should be "rare", I meant exactly what I said. Not everyone and their dog can build one, means they shouldn't be the one stop shop for all citadels that appears everywhere. But they should be relatively common enough in nullsec for the service of super-capitals. Because whether your entity has 300 Titans or 3 Titans, you should be allowed the same ease in resupply and refitting as well as the chance to dock for relative safe keeping.

If they are rare, then they would be accessible only to entities which ISK has no meaning. Therefore they are gaining an advantage over the great power they already have. Newer entities would therefore be not allowed to grow to competing levels as they would constantly be suppressed. The difference is already large and implementing something like this would only make the problem bigger.


Obviously coming from an entity which you belong to, I have doubts to what you feel for the average player and alliance wealth.

Also, I do not believe it is fair to compare this to Titans or even Outposts of a different time. The economy is different and certainly time is different. The game has grown over the past many years and materials have accumulated. I am guessing this is the reason why Citadels are PI based rather than mineral based. Titans were difficult when first introduced because they were new and massive for the time, they are a new class of ships for a new purpose. Material stockpiles are not as they are today.

However, we come to today that these Citadels are supposed to replace Outposts and Towers, while they are new things but they really are old things reinvented. Given the rarity of PI materials on the current market, I am guessing this is why CCP decided to go with heavily PI based. The difficulty is not coughing up 200b or what not... the bigger issue is the hours required to produce 200b worth of PI materials. Have you tried going to Jita and try to buy all the required materials?

This is where it becomes different for large and rich alliances versus the average alliance, as large and rich alliances would buy PI from their members, as ISK is not an issue, sourcing them is. For the average alliance, both ISK and manpower suddenly becomes different when the cost is doubled. Fittings are still not yet considered.

However, to be honest, I am not interested in what you think. I am interested in what CCP think and the reasoning and justification behind doubling the cost.

Factions and empires will clearly shrink to only what they can afford and realistically defend in terms of citadels. It might not be apparent now, but when losses start to kick in alliances will feel that bite and slowly shrink. I forsee EvE having a lot more open space up for grabs to smaller organizations looking to expand.

Sorry if the question has been pointed out already.

But with this new Strcture ideas, i came along with a concern.

Nowadays, anyone, from the new-ish player to the experienced, wealthy old skilled player can, if he desires to, just buy a small POS @ like, 100/150 milion ISK, warp to a moon, and anchor it.
He then decides for another amount of ISK wether this POS can be for reprocessing, reacting, producing, 'living' (wh), outpost, etc...

Now, with the new whole vision, sizes start @ medium for like, 700+ milion ISK ? No taking fitting in count ?

What about Small Citadel / Indu Arrays / Drilling Platforms and so on ?
What about the player, that want to play on his own, and doing his thing ?
It looks like he's been completly forgotten in the design process.
Is that a purpose ? Is that something CCP wanted to do ? Or did you really forget about small sized structures ?

My personnal idea is that a T3 Cruiser-like for structure would've been much more interesting. But that's another issue.

I really wonder what CCP thinks about the small size Structures in general.
Or did I miss informations given about that ?

Yes please do this, don't leave citadel markets as a half-cooked feature!