Crime & Punishment

Did they also talk about the buff to ganking which will be obviously paired with this nerf to ganking, as they always do, I mean since they accidentally buffed something for ganking, as Fozzi explained?

Doesn't look like a nerf to ganking. It's a nerf to bumping.

Code have been ganking close to gate after bumping a freighter for a short , so not going to effect ganking that much if they have numbers

What will effect them more if they start falling apart from the inside ,which seems to be happenings, so let's not blame game changes.

I wonder if the new 3 minute warp guarantee could be used in conjunction with a bastion module to guarantee an escape.

I'm thinking I let a fleet tackle me, try to warp, then use bastion to turn off tackles and let the jump happen at end of cycle.

Might work?

I would be curious to see if this is only for freighters then. Also, would the Higgs rig bear any influence on this mechanic?



There is also another issue: not all freighters are bumped out of warp, so nothing will change there, but it appears there will be butt-hurt gankers thinking that all bumping is for ganking. I have heard of numerous cases of people being bumped "just for lulz" without any intention of ganking. The objective in those cases were either ransoming ("I can do this all day. Gimme ISK!") or for the intention of ruining someone's day for no apparent reason. No ganks in those situations but clearly an aggression without consequences to the aggressor which is something that we should all agree on is a bad mechanic.

So even if ganks are taken out of the metric, we can say this is a good move by CCP. And it would appear that they have taken ganks into account in making these changes.

Were it up to me(TM) rigs and modules making the auto-warp variable amongst fits would make it harder to game it.

Meanwhile, as much as auto-warp will affect the ability of gank teams not having their act together, and remove the luxury of keeping a fat target hanging "as long as needed for the criminal timers to expire", AG is not going to benefit from this. Ganks will have to happen faster and the window of the initial report of a freighter getting bumped and the attack will be shorter. Both sides will have to beat a timer. It'll be interesting.


Another thing: if a freighter that is AFK'ing to a gate gets bumped to a distance from the gate that is a warpable-to distance, will it then go into warp to get to the gate again? Is auto-warp "smart" enough for that?

That's something to test when these changes are made.

With the goons having a hard time in null, increasing numbers have been ganking in jita, someone even posted a video on YouTube showing this, long after code have gone we will still have gankers but for now we are fighting an increasing number, if any pilots want to help fight goons in jita, come and join us, it's man power we need not isk,

I don't consider the bump timer a nerf to anything......because you can't patch stupid.

Idiots will still mine AFK, and still fly blingy freighters carrying 3 PLEX thru Uedama on autopilot.

While watching Netflix.

And as for 'goon funding', sorry, most of the CODE treasury comes from popping said freighters.

Well good on you for saying it is not a nerf, mine AFK is stupid, but I can understand mining while watching a film or reading something else, if they get caught because they were unobservant on what is a mind numbing boring profession then thats their look out, I mine in two max tanked Skiffs and am largely keeping an inattentive eye out. lol.

Well lets see if you can keep popping them, now that the playing field is a bit more balanced.

Ozzie Uden, I will have a look at Jita, might just have some fun there, still have lots of work at the moment, but hopefully soon that will end. Keep up the good fight...

You sound a bit stressed, I did not say anything about Uedama, freighters get popped in more than Uedama you know, so you need to improve your reading and comprehension skills or try not to project what you are thinking onto other people when you reply.

I agree the bump timer means nothing for AP freighters slow boating it to the gate, if your reading and comprehension was better you would have noticed I agreed that they deserve to pop in this thread and I know that this change does not affect them.

So you have found a way around something that has not yet been applied and the actual mechanics have not yet been fully defined and even tested, wow you are so uber...

Good you are not crying about the warp timer when bumping, I am impressed.

I deal with it all the time, never lost a freighter, never lost a Transport, only lost industrials in 0.0 and the only ship I lost to a gank was a Thrasher when I was trying to pop some people, if you want to call that stupid then be my guest.

Please try to read, digest and comprehend, prevents one from looking stupid you know, or perhaps you do not.