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On release the component array will update to build structure components and equipment array can build citadels. Structure components are dropping to 3000 m3 per unit

While the citadel subcap DPS/application could use improvement, 12-15k against subcaps is completely excessive.

Yes, a well-fit T3 Fleet w/ a few Guardians can tank something around 10k.

But the citadel should NOT be able to solo that fleet. It is a potent advantage for the defender, not a solo fleet death machine.

By following your proposal, the citadel will already break the enemy fleet by itself, so why even bother with a defense fleet at all?

I don't believe that to be good gameplay.


You don't mention the Fighters that a citadel can deploy in its defense, either. They provide decent supporting dps (especially while the heavy rockets hold out) and aren't factored into your calculations at all.

This is completely disregarding the fact that though the enemy fleet may have 10k or more in logistics, the citadel's jams, scripted for a racial type, have a strength of 60, which can quite handily mitigate some of the aggressor's logistics or DPS, and give a decent defense fleet a significant advantage.

Again, while the subcap weapons could use some improvement, they should NOT be capable of taking on a competent enemy fleet by themselves without support.

I think a citadel's subcap missile damage should be buffed to where it is unfeasible for the correct ship class (for the missile type) to self-tank against it with a few webs and paints applied.

It should NOT be able to wipe out a prepared logistics supported subcap fleet by itself.

Like I said before, if a well-prepared group is attacking your citadel, you should have to UNDOCK to help fight them off.

If your enemy brings a strong fleet concept to attack your citadel, you should not be rewarded for having everybody dock up and trying to let the citadel do all the work.

Additionally, undocking even a modest defense fleet gives the aggressors (and defenders) a much more dynamic fight. Do they shoot the defending fleet? The citadel? The citadel's fighters?

From the "Shake My Citadel Dev Blog":
"While structure weapon systems will deal considerable amount of damage to compensate for their static nature, most of them will require Electronic Warfare assistance from defending ships to be fully operational (like Stasis Webifiers or Target Painters)."

This is as it should be. It just needs a little buff to damage.

Can't reconnect to Fighters after releasing control of Citadel and then gaining control again. Scoop commands are there, but doesn't scoop them anywhere..

Didn't see if this was a known issue or not.

Citadels are a supplement for a defense fleet, not a replacement for it.

Now if the citadel can be ranked by a solo subcap, ok there's a problem. Here is a valid question regarding the situation because it isn't damage that you are talking about, it's amount.

What do you believe should be the minimum amount threshold of subcaps needed to tank these things? If your expecting a group of 50 for a medium I think your a little extreme.

Sólo tanking it, ok I agree with that. Bring 4 people to take on a citadel, should it be survivable for those 4 people. Lord knows it'll take them hours to incapacitate the thing...

For population of a citadel, there's a little number in brackets which lists how many people are home.

Well technically it would take 30 minutes. The damage against a medium citadel is capped at 5000 dps after all.

Also I've never seen a 600 dps HM Cerberus before. 4 BC's, T2 Fury, and drones break that, but I'm fairly sure the drones won't have the range.

Anyway, they'll be WELL within web/scram range (250km), a bit into TP falloff (75+150km), and right at ECM optimal (100+100km), and that's assuming no EWAR rigs have been fit (to increase range).

Additionally, the change to subcap citadel neuts will instacap a Cerb @100km (Standup Heavy Energy Neutralizer I appears to remove 1,500 cap every 15 seconds, at 100+100km, with no sig radius).

Assuming the citadel has a web and a paint (and/or a support pilot in a rapier), it'll be able to apply almost all of its MD launcher dps to those Cerbs (~950 for an Astrahus and ~1600 for a Fortizar).

And as for the logi, if the citadel can leave the painting/webbing to the 5 man defense gang, then it can wield its 60 point strength scripted jammers to incapacitate the logistics, not to mention removing 100 capacitor per second PER NEUT from whatever it chooses.

hello all, while i was complaining about the dps myself thats not why i am here... i am here to complain about the medium citadel as a concept.

you bring these out and say hey these are eventually going to replace stations and there are different sizes. medium for corps and small alliances. larges for small to medium alliances and XL for large alliances and coalitions. the Large and the XL both have the ability to place a market hub service module while the medium does not. ok while i am not a fan of this i will accept that. what i wont accept is that the blue print to build the medium requires 4 market hub components. which drives the cost of the hull above what CCP projected the price would be. im all for free markets and player driven prices but ccp thats your doing right there. what sense does it make if the blueprint needs this componets only for the structure not to be abel to place the service.


either remove the requirement from the medium blue print or give the medium citadel the ability to place a market hub.

and o yea... buff anti subcap missiles damage cause i can tank a fortizar in my drake solo.... just saying