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[IGS] Passive Aggression Pact
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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2016-04-22 04:13:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Mr. Mokk, if you believe that proponents of freedom believe in absolute freedom, or are opposed to tthe rule of law, you'd be committing the same error as the individual in question. Freedom, in fact, cannot exist without structures to support and protect it. Societies without such protections inevitably fall prey to people who abuse the lack of consequences, which is why anarchy is inherently unstable and untenable. Meaningful human interaction requires a specific amount of structure. Too much and you stifle the creative process, but too little and you are inevitably stifled yourself by whoever can shout the loudest.


So, you are saying that a certain someone is engaging in too much freedom?

As I have always believed, even in a state of total freedom, freedom will always be checked by consequences. Rob enough families and you will have a mob coming for your head eventually. Shout too much and someone will come over to gag you or cut your tongue off. After all, if you have too much freedom to do whatever you want, others too will have too much freedom to do whatever they want. Checks and balances are already put into place even in a state of anarchy. Do X and Y happens, resulting in Z being done back at you. Everyone is bound to the same rule even without realising it.

Unfortunately, people seem to neglect that, thinking that with freedom there is no consequence to their actions when the reason why it didn't look like there are any consequences is because the others are adhering to rules checking their behaviour. They also forget that consequence is already happening, it's just not plainly visible and it take some time to build up steam.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#42 - 2016-04-22 04:22:37 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:


So, you are saying that a certain someone is engaging in too much freedom?


Might one characterize such behavior as the worship of chaos?
Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#43 - 2016-04-22 05:11:25 UTC
A Gallente championing a movement to ignore someone?

I take it you enjoy setting yourself up for failure?
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#44 - 2016-04-22 05:55:35 UTC
Sinjin Mokk wrote:
I find it interesting Ms. Vero that you and Mr. Bete and Mr. Ixiris, paragons of Gallente concepts of "freedom," are so quick to censor Ms. Kim.

Yes, she is contrary. Yes, she is argumentative. Yes she is almost delusional at times, especially in her devotion to what she sees as "loyalty to the State." Yes she is free from the burden of facts.

But if we censor or remove her today, who will be censored or removed tomorrow? Nauplius? His words are unpopular. Mizhara Del'thul or Utari Onzo? They're pretty unmovable in their viewpoints. Me? You?

This isn't a popularity contest. This is a forum for the free exchange of ideas. If Amarr loyalists can sit here and tolerate Sanist heretics, you can sit here and stomach Diana Kim.

The IGS has seen far worse personalities and abuses of rhetoric over the years. If you want to ignore her, that's fine. But for this place to have any meaning, even the most vapid of pilots must be able to express themselves here.

There is nothing passive in your aggression.

You've missed the entire point. No one is condemning Kim for her opinions but rather her penchant for derailing every thread she posts in thus stifling legitimate attempts at communication and free speech. Her constant off-topic posting seriously undermines what the IGS is supposed to be about.



When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#45 - 2016-04-22 08:33:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Karina Ivanovich wrote:


And what do we really know of ourselves? If I ask who you really are; will you have an answer?


Yes. An alcoholic mass-murderer with a penchant for recreational narcotics between bouts of high-explosive violence.

Or a recreational mass-murderer with a penchant for high-explosive violence between bouts of alcohol and narcotics.

Same difference.

Yeah, I'm really quite shallow like that.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Mizhara Del'thul
Kyn'aldrnari
#46 - 2016-04-22 08:40:32 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
You've missed the entire point. No one is condemning Kim for her opinions but rather her penchant for derailing every thread she posts in thus stifling legitimate attempts at communication and free speech. Her constant off-topic posting seriously undermines what the IGS is supposed to be about.


I'll reiterate. The few disruptive voices has never been the problem. The IGS can always handle a few people babbling inanely in various threads, whether it's topical or not. It's frankly the norm in every public fora. The problem here has never been these people, but you and those like you who instead of doing the reasonable thing and ignoring them, choose to engage and actually derail all the topics in doing so.

They're not a problem until you and yours make them a problem, and then make it worse with these nonsensical and childish tantrums.

Ignore them. Don't feed them.

Problem gone.
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