Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Not tackled, not shot at, yet they activated self destruct because some supers logged on.

And this strikes you as just fine, does it?

I'd love to see how you came to that conclusion.

Game economics weren't the main priority of mine, no. I was more interested in incentivizing people to actually try to fight (and maybe get out with their ship alive) instead of suiciding like a pussyassed wimp.

All's moot, however:

Conversely: want that killmail? Kill the guy before he SDs.

If they do introduce KMs, I sure hope they are completely devoid of fitting information…

They will.


I wouldn't hold my breath. They added implants to pod killmails (and look how much fun people are having killing pods now), there are killmails in wormholes etc, so if I were you I wouldn't hold my breath about "hiding TOPSEKRITFITTINGINFORMATION" just because someone self destructed.

For that to work you'd have to revamp the insurance system entirely as most T2 ships are generally not worth insuring, capitals (most whined about SD) are often not worth it and supers (2nd most whined about SD) are just laughable.

Any benefit you may gain is easily nullified by peoples desire to protect their precious K/D ratios .. K.mails in Eve has given rise to an entirely new breed of whores in gaming and are one of the contributing factors for the ever increasing gang sizes (read: blobbing) .. because you gotta come out on top in the killboard stats!!!!1111

PS: Wasn't insurance removed from SD a few patches back or did CCP do their famous back-pedal?

As I said in the PL whine thread, what does that have to do SD?

If you want to solve that particular problem then look at the instantaneous intel offered by the address book .. add a 3-5 minute delay to online/offline notification and the issue ceases to exist.
For a less arbitrary number one could use the existing track'n'trace mechanics of locator agents to determine how long (determined by range) the delay should be, so to pull off a super logon trap you'd have to not log in a predictable/close location and/or make sure that the target does not have an observer near your supers logoff point.

"Killmails you should certainly get."

I like how people are arguing against this by saying that killmails don't matter when CCP have only just added implants to pod lossmails.

Killmails serve more functions than e-peen and tears. If someone wants to use their killboard stats as a source of satisfaction then let them, you'll be the bigger man knowing that killboard stats don't matter and spaceships are just pixels. For me killmails are important tools for analysis and intel gathering, and everyone knows how much of a difference intel makes in this game.

Battleclinic gathers and collates killmails and infers connections between players from them by looking at who appears on the same killmails together. See a character in local, look them up and know more about them all because of killmails. Know who his associates are, get a list of ships that they have been known to fly, and a k/d ratio is more use for showing you how much of a threat they might be than any ingame indicator such as sec status, which is completely useless.

Killmails let you know what exactly they were flying and how much it was worth, they also show you what was shooting at you and what with. This is important for post-engagement analysis and learning from your own mistakes and the mistakes of others. Also remember that Rooks and Kings video? Would Aperture Harmonics' Wormhole tracking disruptor exploit have been found if it weren't for the information supplied by killmails?

And yes they do provide moments of merriment and cautionary tales as you can see the shitfits of people who have lost ships in stupid circumstances. Laugh at the supercarrier pilot who lost his Nyx to rats, or the IRC Fleet Tempest full of blueprints. They really do deserve to have such gloriously stupid decisions published.

So yes, I think that it's dumb to allow self-destructing to avoid a killmail.

Disregard other people's posts. Spout off ignorant and non-constructive knee-jerk reaction. Harvest likes from anti-PvP pubbies.

There there *pats head* Poor baby.

So we think that kill mail farmers are pathetic? *Shrugs and grins*

Maybe I will concede that.

Edit: It would depend on the ship size. For example, an Iteron V would probably take out some destroyers killing it but a Maelstrom would whether the damage.