Wormholes

I wrote this already here but it only concerns wormholes so I think we should really try to bring it to the attention of CCP.

So asset safety mechanics will not work in wspace, which is good. However, without further specific tweaks to wormhole Citadels, I think it is obvious that the owner of a Citadel will easily be able to leave absolutely no loot for the attackers. Like, 0 ISK. Without any effort required on his part.

Hopelessly sieged? Just open your Citadel's hangar, select everything you cannot log off and click "trash it". All assets gone in a second. Zero work required, no more blowing up ships one by one for hours.

This means that with Citadels, there would be even less loot to be gained from sieges. Now, we can at least try to attack while owners are offline and hope to lock assets in hangars by reinforcing them before owners come online to save anything. Which is also broken and stupid, forcing us to actively avoid the chance of the defenders fighting us, something we usually want. But that's how it is.

As I wrote in my other post, I suggest following tweaks for wormhole Citadels:

1. Item trashing in station (Citadel) becomes unavailable if the structure is a) under attack, b) in repair state or c) invulnerable after a successful attack on its shields or armor. It becomes available again when the structure enters invulnerability state after a successful repair cycle.

2. Intiating self-destruct on a ship while tethered to the Citadel acts like a weapons timer and makes the ship vulnerable. So if you want to self-destruct a ship, you first have to manage to get away from the attacking fleet sieging your pos.

The victim class (farmers/bears) will of course cry foul, but the fact is that without these tweaks there will be no reason to ever siege a Citadel in wormhole space except personal animosity as there will be absolutely nothing to gain. We can make the target corp lose all their stuff but we will not get any of it and all the losses will be totally invisible. This cannot be the intention of CCP.

Make evictions harder and more challenging, but also potentially more profitable.

Currently there is no way to get out of a sieged and r-caged POS while the attackers maintain a presence, so the only thing the defender can do is self-destruct ships or log them off.

Citadels will be very big and have multiple undock points, so it should be impossible to bubble all of them, and tricky to catch every ship that tries to undock and warp off. So defenders should have an actual chance to get away from it and so, will probably try. In the best case this will give something for both sides... because he has a chance, defender will try, but he may fail trying and then the attackers get something.

Just make it simpler. Any trashed items enters trash status in the citadel. The citadel will permanently delete all trashed items 7 days from its trashing moment. This gives you two benefits.

1) if you accidentally trash something, you can get it back. I'd apply a cost to this (small and mostly inconsequential unless it's a significant amount of items).

2) even if you trash it, if the enemy destroys the citadel, it still drops. You have to defend it for 7 days straight to deny the loot drop.

That would address both areas and it would also relieve some stress from the gm team as people could recall lost items they accidentally deleted, and would also prevent rogue directors from just deleting 100 billion of someone's array, vs stealing it.

Honestly, I don't see how making items unable to be accessed/trashed during an RF timer makes a difference. The defender still looses all the stuff they couldn't safe-log with.

You read that where?



Uhm, what do I care what they lost if a) I don't get any of it and b) it is not even documented anywhere? I want to get loot and I want to know what they lost as a result of me sieging them.

.... oh lord please, please I hope so....

Item trashing has been available for a long time in POSs before entering reinforced mode but I can see how removing it completely will foster more evictions in wh space.

Even more bothersome is that fact that CCP makes recovering assets an available option to nullsec bears just to coerce them into using citadels shoving aside the fact that the main reason for sieging anyone's home, regardless of location, is to get loot or harvest tears or both, but apparently, nullbears must be protected from experiencing such torture at all cost. It's time to rid of any loot protection of sort from CItadels and outposts after destruction, apart from NPC stations obviously.

Honestly, the only thing more annoying is your typical nullbear rage-posting about how wh life is too easy on the sub-forums.

If you are tethered you can safely log off

I suggest storing all valuables in tethered Orcas only docking when necessary - If someone decides to blow up the citadel you log off with the goodies & they get the empty citadel container.
Of course dedicated attackers could spend a billion or so to Anchor a new Citadel and have someone online 24/7 to try and get you... Now that's some serious dedication

Gone is the age of scanning alts in wormholes - I propose storage alts

No need to scan it down -
It would be exactly where it logged out and that's a place where you can't anchor a Tower to catch it - So your options are sit at that spot in space and wait or Anchor a Citadel & be online and wait


I would just have to log on an alt - scan till a highsec wh out spawn and I'm gone

Trash items is already disabled in Citadels when in the final reinforce (once all the armor has been shot through) and this applies for kspace and wspace. Activating the ship self destruct will also drop the tethering.