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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#101 - 2016-04-21 07:27:59 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

I don't care about TRUTH gallentean,

Well.......

I meant about her speaking truth, which was implied by the context, as she has promised to "say truth about me". As I have said it to her, I am against her speaking lies, that gallentean occupants often envelop in their "truths".

The only thing I'm saying is, they do have reasons for what they say, and they presented it, or what would be seen as proof I guess. What I took from that was " ya you have information to back your claims but I don't care, your a liar no matter what you say." Hate to say it but the outside observer sees reasons, compared to "well your a liar" and who looks bad?
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#102 - 2016-04-21 07:43:47 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:

I fought her once and admittedly it was a fair fight. I don't agree with her often (if ever) but if it's an honorable 1 v 1, she gives it. She didn't have to with me but she did, which I respect... Not trying to defend her but at the same time I strive to not be a liar.

Well, I give you that... though, well, it was you who have challenged me, if I remember it correctly. But anyway, the discussion is neither about me or you, but about ARC.

Lets see what have just happened and caused this ****storm from ARC and their bootlickers.

One of their members, Jaret Victorian, whom I at first wrongly considered to be not stupid and polite person, decided to ask me questions, if I can back my claims with facts. I have agreed and the first question he asked was... not exactly on the subject of the discussion. I have answered since I gave my word for it.

Jaret Victorian then switched the discussion to liar Makoto Priano, but in one of his replies he has openly claimed that I was "the first one to accuse I-RED of being pirates". His reference that he has linked openly contained contradiction to his own words, as it was clearly seen that my reply was caused by Makoto Priano referencing me as outlaw first.

I have pointed out on this lie here and demanded apologies.
Jaret Victorian instead claimed that there are "No lies, no apologies. Facts are facts", while linking again both Makoto and my replies, where Makoto reply with claiming me to be outlaw precedes mine.
I have pointed on this explicitly here and challenged him to duel, since it was now obviously he was trying just to get a conflict.

Instead Jaret Victorian has insulted me again calling me to be a liar and issued mocking challenge instead of defending his honor.

And all of this just because Jaret Victorian didn't want to admit his mistake and was continue lying about Caldari Officer even contradicting his own facts that he was linking.



Is this the new ARC policy? If they do lie openly about such insignificant things and stand on their lies even after their words have been explicitly proven to be false, what about more significant claims, about their whole business?

Then if that's how ARC acts, using his (Jaret's) words, it is their "political suicide".

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#103 - 2016-04-21 08:11:26 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:

I fought her once and admittedly it was a fair fight. I don't agree with her often (if ever) but if it's an honorable 1 v 1, she gives it. She didn't have to with me but she did, which I respect... Not trying to defend her but at the same time I strive to not be a liar.


I've no doubt she fights fairly in some cases.

It is, however, also notable that Mika Firestorm shows up periodically on kills with Diana Kim, often in a cloak-capable recon ship. This is not unlike how a certain Luna Hanaya was recently downed in a links Loki at around the same time Kim was operating in an area. Needless to say, a fair number of pilots discount when Firestorm or Hanaya come into a conversation and take up Kim's viewpoints, given how closely-associated they are.

That said, Kim? You patently lack political acumen, and your grasp of truth is tenuous at best. You'll notice in the I-RED thread I called you the ally of outlaws. That does not make you necessarily an outlaw. Mind, if you are stating that it is tantamount to stating you're an outlaw, then your statement that you aren't a Provist but merely a dedicated ally to Provists is also tantamount to saying you're a Provist.

So. Which is it? Did I call you an outlaw, and you called yourself a Provist, or did I not call you an outlaw, and you didn't call yourself a Provist?

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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#104 - 2016-04-21 08:21:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
Diana Kim wrote:

Is this the new ARC policy? If they do lie openly about such insignificant things and stand on their lies even after their words have been explicitly proven to be false, what about more significant claims, about their whole business?

Woah there woman, do your words represent Caldari State's official stance? My Neocom says I have pretty good standing. Are you trying to damage my business reputation? Is it a fraud? Should I be worried?

And please, no need to report anyone's posts - it's all a valuable research material (and evidence).

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#105 - 2016-04-21 08:26:19 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Are you trying to damage my business reputation?

You have damaged it yourself. I have offered you twice to restore it. You have impolitely declined it.

You reap what you sow, Jaret Victorian.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#106 - 2016-04-21 08:28:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
Diana Kim wrote:
You have damaged it yourself. I have offered you twice to restore it. You have impolitely declined it.

You reap what you sow, Jaret Victorian.


Come on, we've been there.
A liar can't ask a liar to satisfy a liar's honor because a liar lied about a liar. On the contrary a liar can ask a liar to show one's valuability (as a liar). You still have time.

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#107 - 2016-04-21 08:32:39 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
[You have damaged it yourself. I have offered you twice to restore it. You have impolitely declined it.

You reap what you sow, Jaret Victorian.


Come on, we've been there.
A liar can't ask a liar to satisfy a liar's honor because a liar lied about a liar. On the contrary a liar can ask a liar to show one's valuability (as a liar). You still have time.

Unlike you, scum, I am not a liar. And unlike you, coward, I still have my honor.
Don't you dare to ever speak as equal to me, after you have damaged your reputation so badly, after you have been openly lying about Caldari Officer even calling names like traitor, you don't deserve to talk to any Caldari like equal.

Know your place in a trash bin of space, dishonorable tyuui. You have fallen as low as a gallentean.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#108 - 2016-04-21 08:34:22 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

You reap what you sow

Oh, the irony!

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Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#109 - 2016-04-21 08:58:54 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

You reap what you sow

Oh, the irony!

I thought you were a man of honor and wit, I am sad looking you degrading yourself so low.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#110 - 2016-04-21 10:29:11 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
I thought you were a man of honor and wit, I am sad looking you degrading yourself so low.

Please, I merely brought myself to your level for a day. You see how annoying it was?

But seriously, I am tired of you constantly harassing my friends.

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Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#111 - 2016-04-21 10:55:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Morwen Lagann wrote:
Me not being aware of the current state of ARC research says literally nothing other than that I am unaware of the current state of it.

I've been busy recuperating after a long and extended campaign against the Drifters in defense of the Throne Worlds, and have been keeping myself largely to coordinating the continued excursions into the Hives, and planning my trip to Dam-Torsad for the Succession Finals. Keeping on top of research that I am not directly involved in is not on my priority list, and if nobody is flagging a memo for my review then I'm not inclined to go prying - I believe that the work is best done without interference, and would rather leave those responsible for it to continue their work than to interrupt them to give me an explanation.

The last update I personally saw regarding the elements (or "spacebread" as some have jokingly taken to calling them) was a very brief message involving their rather strange behavior with regards to memetics - in the sense that close observation of them seems to elicit certain patterns of thought to the observers.

As for wormhole generation, while analysis of the debris field in the innermost areas of the Hive suggests that the structure may have been similar in design and purpose to what we consider stargates, there has yet to be any indication of a connection with the Drifter elements, based on testing that, yes, involved said elements in varying combinations. What does appear to be likely to be "a control mechanism for a wormhole generator device" are the different alignment sequences that we have managed to recover in each of the Hives. They are decidedly different from the Drifter elements, and yes, we have tested using them with what access points we were able to discern within the debris; any change caused by them is below the threshold of observation for even the most sensitive of equipment available for capsuleer use.

As for you and that other pilot, congratulations. You came up with a theory without any empirical evidence to back it up. That's not research. Research would actually require you to have access to the materials you're talking about, and the opportunity to perform tests on them, which I can guarantee neither of which are the case. Especially not within the space of fifteen minutes.


Are you just being contrarian or do you actually have a point?

I mean, other than "no you don't know", are you actually going to adress anything? Do I need to remind you that I started looking into the very topic of wormhole generation via the Sansha vector. If you stopped screaming and stamping your feet for a moment, you'd probably realise that both subjects are very similar in nature and the drifter elements are a key to the puzzle in my case, much as they are a puzzle for everyone else.
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#112 - 2016-04-21 11:04:05 UTC
Jaret Victorian wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:
I thought you were a man of honor and wit, I am sad looking you degrading yourself so low.

Please, I merely brought myself to your level for a day. You see how annoying it was?

But seriously, I am tired of you constantly harassing my friends.

Unlike you, I would never become a liar. And unlike you, I value my honor and will accept fights for it.

And "harassing", that's why how you call it? I'll tell you this: if someone wants the fight, I give it to them. Since you have chosen to stand on the side of enemy, you shall know, I give enemies no mercy. I attack them with words, actions and in any way I see fit.

Priano wanted to fight Caldari officer by spreading lies.
You wanted the same. It was your choices and I'll MAKE sure you WILL bear the consequences.

All enemies of the State WILL DIE.

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#113 - 2016-04-21 11:17:32 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

Unlike you, I would never become a liar. And unlike you, I value my honor and will accept fights for it.

And "harassing", that's why how you call it? I'll tell you this: if someone wants the fight, I give it to them. Since you have chosen to stand on the side of enemy, you shall know, I give enemies no mercy. I attack them with words, actions and in any way I see fit.

Priano wanted to fight Caldari officer by spreading lies.
You wanted the same. It was your choices and I'll MAKE sure you WILL bear the consequences.

All enemies of the State WILL DIE.

Jolly good, another death threat.

How are you even an offi... wait, it's a good thing that you are nowhere near command, you'd make more harm than good.

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Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#114 - 2016-04-21 12:13:21 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:
Veikitamo is a well known pirate and traitor with foul mouth.


Pirate, sure. You can add murderer, *****, psychopath, merchant of death, *******, troll, and more besides from all the salty hate mails and local banter I've collected over the years. Traitor though? Hardly. See, when I became a freelancer I got this really cool legal document called clearance papers from Kaalakiota whose synopsis on the front reads as such:

These documents clear the holder from numerous by-laws and responsibilities within the Caldari State and abroad.

They are issued to capsuleers, who typically operate above the law and are accountable to few people.

As such, I can never be legally tried as a traitor because as a capsuleer I am not bound to the laws of a corporation or the State as a whole. You're hardly an authority on anything either, since as pointed out you are just a scrub who got manipulated into a fight by my superb local trolling PsyOps skills and lost a Zealot with Falcon support to a Heron and Kestrel of all things.

(Sucks to be as bad as you, both at combat and life, dear. Get good sometime, maybe.)

Rinai Vero wrote:

I've repeatedly criticized both of them for carrying their own vendettas against my friend and CEO Julianus Soter.


Babe, I stopped giving a **** about Soter once I got his corpse in honourable 1v1 combat years ago. The white whale got harpooned and I moved on.

Kurilaivonen|Concern
Haria Haritimado
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#115 - 2016-04-21 12:28:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Haria Haritimado
Fellow Capsuleers,

As we have already broken with the unwritten rule of not commenting to questionable journalism or propaganda, I would like to comment on the initial issue. Congratulations to Gutter Press for this rare achievement.

The so called 'Coalesced Element' is the marvelous product of a merging process, its nature still unknown to us. The creation of the element has been wittnessed by members of Arataka Research Consortium fleets and we are currently investing a lot of time and resources to grasp the structure, potential and risks of the element. So far, it has passed quarantine directives and is considered safe and stable within laboratory confines and under treatment directives equivalent to the highest biosafety level.

The research group is well aware of the high relevance and importance this element implies. We are currently still considering the best methodological approach and how to ensure nondestructable testing methods after some surprising inconsistencies during earlier attempts. Anyway, at this point, there is no indication that this amalgamate is directly meant or useful for wormhole creation or manipulation. According to the Arataka Research Consortium policy we intend to share findings as we did before, within the scope of a responsible and peaceful application as outlined by the Pahkshi Peace Conference YC117.

Those interested in participation may contact ARC representatives or, if unavailable, alliance members at any time.

Regarding the accusation of a price-fixing cartel we have requested a legal opinion which concludes that the Arataka Research Consortium is not preventing access to the resource in question nor is it disguising any price negoriation since all actors involved are operating as official partners to the Consortium.

Yours in service,

Haria Haritimado
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.

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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#116 - 2016-04-21 14:18:27 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Deitra Vess wrote:

I fought her once and admittedly it was a fair fight. I don't agree with her often (if ever) but if it's an honorable 1 v 1, she gives it. She didn't have to with me but she did, which I respect... Not trying to defend her but at the same time I strive to not be a liar.


I've no doubt she fights fairly in some cases.

It is, however, also notable that Mika Firestorm shows up periodically on kills with Diana Kim, often in a cloak-capable recon ship. This is not unlike how a certain Luna Hanaya was recently downed in a links Loki at around the same time Kim was operating in an area. Needless to say, a fair number of pilots discount when Firestorm or Hanaya come into a conversation and take up Kim's viewpoints, given how closely-associated they are.

That I was unaware of. All I do know is I showed up in her home station demanding a fair duel, which by all means she didn't have to honor, yet she still did. The other incidents you are referring to, maybe it was a lack of time to prepare or something in my case, but I don't know enough to form an opinion, and hate to say it but kill reports only tell part of the story unfortunately. But anyways, I think that covers any part in this involving me.. Continue everyone else if you must.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#117 - 2016-04-21 15:23:25 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Rinai Vero wrote:

I've repeatedly criticized both of them for carrying their own vendettas against my friend and CEO Julianus Soter.


Babe, I stopped giving a **** about Soter once I got his corpse in honourable 1v1 combat years ago. The white whale got harpooned and I moved on.


Fair enough, I was admittedly talking about conversations long past. My point being we've been pretty much the opposite of buddies who team up on the forums...
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#118 - 2016-04-21 16:23:07 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
The pilot who suggested reporting Kim-baka's numerous off-topic posts may be onto something. I know that I'm damned tired of her derailing every single thread she enters with her hatred filled tripe and I'm surmising that the majority of you feel the same.

We've tried reasoning with Kim-baka, we've tried blocking her but, nothing stops her bad posting. Perhaps it's time for the CRC to revoke her IGS posting privileges?

All reasonable solutions to maintain order and dignity on the IGS have failed. I'm in full support of this action.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Rinai Vero
Blades of Liberty
#119 - 2016-04-21 16:27:36 UTC
I dunno. I may have an idea on that. Its either the best kind of trolling, or the worst.
Nick Bete
Highsec Haulers Inc.
#120 - 2016-04-21 16:40:15 UTC
All capsuleer attempts to deal with Kim's constant stream of thread derailment, harassment and name-calling have failed. I agree that it's time for official action to purge the IGS of her presence.