EVE General Discussion

Bliss tells me that he was offered 500b to drop init from the coalition.

INIT has always been an outsider like that, in a good way. But joining Imperium did raise an eyebrow, just like how it did when ETNY joined GS.

But that's not "playing the meta game". That's like saying hitting the server with A DDOS is metagaming, it's ridiculous. It's just cheating, plain and simple. And IWI beat everyone. How can you move on knowing that one group of players have free reign to pick and choose who else gets to play because they use third party software to give them an uncounterable edge. I know you're too blinded by bias to get it, but consider that what they are doing is only good for you because it's goons they are hitting. They could very well do the same to any alliance and there'd equally be no way to stop them.

Now we're getting somewhere. You do realise this is how many of us saw Goons too, right? (or any other big bloc for that matter -- the only thing keeping big blocs in check is the presence of other big blocs).

Once we saw nobody could stand up to The Goon, we trod very carefully knowing that one group of players had free reign - and we moved on.

The same problem will arise when all of a sudden, "PL can't be stopped!" ... except there is no entity that cannot be stopped. This war happening has greatly improved my faith in EvE, not diminished it. This IS moving on. Have faith that everything and everyone can be challenged.

"I would love to see the old Goonswarm come back," Joe says. "The 2007, 2008 version of them. Back then, they were obnoxious and uncouth, but they weren’t malicious. They were funny. They were goofy. But they were also kind of scary, because they had astronomical amounts of people. ... I want them to go back to their roots, go back to where they were."

Interesting....hmmm

Oh and 4 trillion cash, 8-9 trillion in assets and spending about a trillion a week... quick easy math suggests a few more months of this but I doubt he'd blow it all right?

No, we're not, we're back to you saying it's fine that someone can earn trillions of isk with a third party program which they would not be able to earn without it.

Sure, but then it wouldn't exist if bots were able to run rampant either because they give an unfair advantage to the user.

Because it's impossible for me to see a third party application which gives an advantage this great as fair, so for you to see it that way, it screams bias. Plus let's face it, your comments have hardly been without a hint of bias. There's also the whole "I must call then CFC" thing which pretty much guarantees it.

You know what, Lucas? It is fine. Why is it fine? It's fine because CCP allows it. When they decide it isn't fine, then it isn't fine. Until then, all your whining about it is just that, whining.

Cripes.

They're mainly just trying to kill ratters in Catalysts, maybe a few frigates off the station with bombers, and newbies with mining frigates in belts. What a great war strategy. Meanwhile, we are blitzkrieging constellations, because when we form up in fleets, they can't do **** about it.

Also, it's not much of a fighting man's fleet when the ships are named "RUN!!! FAST!!! QUICK!!" and they're in interceptors.

We've had really no problem countering them with cormorants, thrashers and T3Ds

Them going after horde, mainly our newbeans, stragglers and ratters is a sign of weakness. They get ROFLstomped when they go against anyone else, and they still get ROFLstomped when we form up fleets to oppose them. I think they think they're increasing morale trading purifiers for Merlins.

If you need more proof of how badly the goons are cascade-failing, last saturday, dabigredboat said he'd have 01Y captured within 48 hours.

top kek.

And why do you think it is CCP makes decisions? Because players give feedback. I get it, I have an opinion that differs to yours, therefore you feel I should not be allowed to express that. I disagree.

Except it's not cherry picking, as previously detailed, it's simply prioritising. I'd happily be rid of all third party software, but I consider an application like IWI which allows a select group of people to make trillions of isk in a short space of time a considerable more unfair advantage than people using jabber for example. You seem to consider them equal which is fine. Ridiculous, but fine.

No, we're talking about a different piece of third party software that has a similar - and in fact considerably more pronounced - effect of distorting the economic balance of players within the game.

That's not even remotely what I said, but feel free to keep smacking that strawman if it makes you feel better.

You overrate the importance of ISK. Here is why you are wrong:

1. You can have all ISK in the game but you won’t win anything unless you actually have motivated warriors to win a war. On paper The Imperium has both numbers and ISK. Does it make a difference? No, because motivation is the key.

2. Eep eep could surely hire some mercs to bring down other sov holding alliances but it would not gain the momentum it has against grrrGoons. ISK is not everything and I doubt you would find any decent merc group that would accept contracts against opponents that will not provide kill mails or prestige. Warriors want to fight for the fun of it and not grind uncontested sov. Good leaders understand this and keep the people that matter happy.

3. It is 2016 and the important/deciding people are filthy rich. These people that ask themselves “should I get a rev or a titan on my 3rd account” don’t do anything for ISK if it didn’t coincide with their own goals. IWI is merely sponsoring what they want to do anyways.

4. We EvE players are social beings. Friendship, respect and reputation outweigh any ISK incentives by a long shot. These are the only real currencies in EvE that matter. Gevlons ISK can’t buy me content, this currency can and sometimes it is earned by providing content by being a good enemy - a foreign concept to The Mittani. Good enemies come to the fanfest with their sov intact; the worst possible enemy alienated all of his allies and probably lost more supers in a Fabian strategy than in B-R without providing content for his lads.

5. The reasons why the injection of ISK kickstarted the fall of The Imperium are very unique. The Imperium is politically isolated and made a lot of enemies in the past. They lost the propaganda war when they lost to smallish lowsec groups. This was a PR disaster for them and it became plain obvious how weak the goons are and that it is possible to defeat them. There was nothing going on in Nullsec for a long time and a lot of groups are eager for content. The Imperium is a good target (prestige and supers) and the people involved write EvE history. This is the first and only real war with this sov mechanic, old capitals and without citadels.