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... reading this they raised the price of carriers or they are the same.


Either way what this means is the argument brought up earlier (I think in this thread) that fighters made up the rest of the carriers cost is now invalid


So carriers cost more to feild (by a lot)

Are less flexible

Have less dps

Have drastically less dpm

Have destroy-able damage

Have a higher hull train time

Have a higher weapon system train time

What do they get?

Pretend to have more range

Can leave in under 5 min (assuming the enemy decided they didn't feel like tackling you)


So ccp can you please tell me why a player would choose a carrier over a dread?

Again if you can't give a reason why you would use a carrier for anti sub cap over dreads with haw either don't add haw or give carriers more of an e-war role something that currently does not exist or side the sub cap level other than the superiority carrier burst weapons


EDIT

This is not me opposed to lowering dread costs that should have happened a while ago the issue is that there is now one less reason to use a carrier.


You said you wanted more choice when players pick their first capital. Right now there is a small choice with fax or dread of you are interested in logistics otherwise dreads are easier to train into and carriers are only going to be picked off you are interested in the gameplay and ate foolish enough to think an FC would put you in his fleet.

Hello i represent a corporation of 6, half of whom are forum banned and cant post their views so this report will include their thoughts as well as my own.
I actually had a big all in one post typed up but it looks like im going to have to post chunks of it in the different/correct topics.
so here goes.


Carriers, Super carriers, and citadels all need +1 launch tube.
Carriers also need +1 support fighter slots. this will give the options to run a more DPS based or support based load-out. such as 3/1 or 2/2. ect

Super carriers and citadels do not need any new slots, only and an increase in total launch tubes by +1.


Capital changes: Im posting here because it didnt seem to have a place to be posted.
Phoenix Missiles need their explosion velocity doubled or you will see their weapons perma kited by supers and normal capitals with AB/MWD.

Phoenix missile explosion radius is WAY TO LARGE, i know you think dunk phoenix were bad for the game but the fact of the matter is they were rarer unicorns than officer spawns and did not warrant this Nerf. As it stands i can not kill a battle ship with 2tp on it. sitting still using capital torpedoes.
any other gun dread hits for full damage as long as it can track the target.. this is a huge imbalance. we get that you want people to use the new high angle weapons, and now that the DPS has been fixed to the 3.5-5k dps range depending on fit/ammo/overheat. they will get used.
it will likely still be extremely hard to break marauders tanks even with 5k dps. but we will find a way to make it work somehow.

The Phoenix also badly needs 300 more raw CPU. it has MASSIVE cpu problems. even with 500m in cpu implants + a cpu rig and Cpu low it has issues fitting t2 and even meta stuff..
i cant speak for the other dreads but the phoenix has been beat into the ground with this update..

Standard Capital ships are too easy to alpha, doesn't matter if its a doomsday or bombers, they badly need their original 3 HPs back to what they use to be before the nerf.
this will give them some buffer and let their active tank come into play. bombers damage needs to be what it is now, if not get a slight buff, because in bomber vs super warfare they leave MUCH to be desired..
the problem rests with how easy it is to alpha capitals because of the massive HP reductions. so please fix the problem at the source. a 50% increase in each of the 3 stats might be enough to offset this,
but ied prefer seeing carriers dreads and faxes get their 3 HP bars doubled and reset to what they were before this update, as their was never a problem in the past.

New Capital modules require WAY TO MUCH cap, and offer little to no benefit. Please remove a 0 the cap requirements from all of the following capital modules.
Armor/shield Shift hardener, Networked sensor array, All of the projectors like warp, ecm, web ect ect (also needs the range and duration increased. duration's need to be much higher.)

as for the shield and armor rep mods, they are fine.

the prop mods need a 50% reduction. again they require WAYYYYYYYY to much cap required.
i dont have a specific number on what to dial them back to, but halving it per cycle would be a good start, then start tuning from there..



With under 2 weeks to go. i have no idea how you are going to fix all this stuff. but good luck. Personally i wouldn't mind the update getting delayed another month so more stuff can be fixed.
its simply not even close to being (close to being) ready.


Thank you for reading, i hope to see these changes implimented to improve the game.


PS: Honestly i know this last bit is not 'super constructive' but it needs to be said, so take it for what its worth CCP.
the majority of my corp hates 99% of this update and would prefer things to stay as they are, rather than whats being pushed down the pipe on the test server, for various reasons that have already been mentioned by other concerned cap pilots.
If you want to buff/expand the utility of capitals, and make new modules to give the players options.. Thats cool, do it.
But don't insult the capital community's intelligence by nerfing all 3 of our HP bars, and offensive capability down to nothing. doubling the already extreme training time to acquire them.
And finally Forcing us to waste precious slots on new modules just to get 1 of our old HP bars back, then calling it a buff/improvement. Were dumb but not THAT dumb ccp..

I thought this closing comment might be useful to include. Thanks for reading 0/


Here is a link to the other half of our thoughts if anyone is interested..
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6447251#post6447251
PS sorry my typing skills suck.

It's why I have generally switched my suggestions from more complex ones to the simple give them t1 ewar bonuses because at this point it's the best we can hope for:/


Ccplease don't kill the carriers when you are about to give them this new gameplay.

And considering the plans for the Rorqual they won't be next to them but rather taking their lonely place

If all you do is add an extra rube for a support drone nothing will really be fixed as the support fighters aren't worth the fighter bay space

To be honest adding e-war bonus would be less drastic than adding another tube as that make carriers the only things that can use all their fighter types at once(not saying it makes them strong at all but its drastic mechanically)

but swapping their useless fleet boost bonuses for an e-war one should be easy and help them out a bit more

I'm WH and i tend to live in low class ones so i don't even need to worry about hostile capitals and i still can't see a reason to use a carrier over HAW

as for the link bonus its a hold over(and actually a buff) currently on TQ carriers can fit links but they don't except in niche cases its almost always better to have a T3 or a command BC this wont change with a 1 % bonus hell if CCP doesn't want them to be e-war then give them a 4% bonus to the links. they are to big to hid off grid like a t3 or a bc meaning yes they would have stronger links but they would have to fight.


is it the best way to fix them? not even close but it gives them at least some reason to see use

like i said adding a t1 ewar bonus so not to the drones but to local e-war turning them into capital e-war

so

archon

7.5 to TD

Chimera
15% bonus to ECM Target Jammer strength
25% bonus to ECM Target Jammer optimal range and falloff
25% bonus to ECM Burst range

thanatos
7.5% bonus to Remote Sensor Dampener effectiveness
7.5% bonus to Remote Sensor Dampener optimal range and falloff

nid
7.5% bonus to Target Painter effectiveness


basically they become e-war with moderate burst dps but capital tank

not like its that far out and it would build onto the progression into super carriers who have their own bonuses for remote burst e-war.

it's the same with all e-war ships ald like you said it would be up to them to decide how much tank to give up

Yes and what about those who like me train Figther lvl 5 already and cant use them anymore? and you say ... " oh yeah btw you need to train something else to use what u already can use and i just change the name so it looks diferent and justify me"