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Caldari astrophysicists on verge of breakthrough in wormhole science ?

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#21 - 2016-04-19 16:40:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Ms. Vero;

This is naturally a delicate subject, so understand that I navigate it carefully.

In the first place, the important part is that any pilot that participates in our fleets will receive an equal share of any Drifter salvage we recover. Because of this, ARC is currently the best avenue for acquisition of this technology, and pilots of all allegiances are accepted on our operations provided that they follow fleet commanders' instructions. Indeed, some of our most dedicated pilots are Matari. Khaprice is notable in having made a considerable effort to accompany our operations despite the difficulty in joining us, and we've also had assistance from Ushra'khan in some cases.

As I say, ARC accepts assistance from any party willing to fly with us, and provides equal share of proceeds to all pilots. We believe the Drifters warrant this degree of cooperation, and seek to demonstrate its utility.

Now, those holdings that are donated to ARC or acquired by internally-run operations we do reserve the right to prioritize access to. For example, with obvious reason, Zainou is given priority access to IKAME's holdings, given that they have a long history of acquiring Sleeper salvage, and we have a working relationship. I believe coordinator Lagann has been in discussions about allowing Kingdom and Sisters access to the ARC reserves, as well. Coordinators Valkyier and Edios haven't established priority access channels yet, but I suspect we'll be arranging that soon.

Were we approached by Federation or Republic research teams, provided sharing of research results with ARC and the greater research community, I'd be willing to pursue that. As you can imagine, I might prefer a Duvolle research team over a Roden research team, but at that point we're cutting hairs.

Essentially, I'd love to see a return of the spirit of Crielere, and we are watching Upwell with interest to see if they would be an appropriate party to pursue relations with on that basis. Our participation in the research component race was on the basis of that interest.

So-- apologies for the wandering response, but hopefully you understand that any response must be nuanced.

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2016-04-19 16:49:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Rinai Vero wrote:
On a more serious note for Executor Priano, am I to gather from your previous statement that information and materials being acquired on Drifter technology by ARC is exclusively available to researchers aligned with the State and Empire?


Ms. Vero? (And I hope Ms. Priano won't mind me giving a pilot-level response.) In a word, no.

Since payment for services rendered may be made in Elements, anyone willing to help can get access to them.

Of course, a lot of the people working with us are loyal to either the State or Empire. In the former case, well, ARC; in the latter, we see the Drifters as a threat, and ARC as a natural ally against them. That doesn't mean others are excluded, either by rules or practice, though. We do have pilots working with us who have standing permission to jump at gates or wormholes because the local authorities don't appreciate their presence, but....

Admittedly, that's a little rare.

It seems like most just don't want to come.
Niraia
Starcakes
Cynosural Field Theory.
#23 - 2016-04-19 16:50:34 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
With due respect, Niraia, if I were attempting to maintain a monopoly, then what I wouldn't do is publish functional maps, guides to Hive operations, doctrines involved, or indeed give talks in front of Imperial audiences on all pertinent details.

So either I'm absolutely terrible at maintaining a monopoly, or you've misread me intentionally because you personally wish to gain from rumor-mongering.

I might be biased, but my suspicion is the latter.

That said, you clearly feel very strongly about the value of Drifter Hive Elements. You're absolutely welcome to either join our operations, or lead your own.

Please, indeed. Lead your own operations. Learn first-hand the work that's involved.


I see IGS hasn't changed much!

Rumour-mongering? I was only speculating on the reasons you'd mention me in your post. I tried to buy drifter elements once due to apparent rarity, declined since said rarity was fabricated, and now I'm rumor mongering? You certainly do seem biased, as you admit.

Regardless, I'm not sure what I'd expect to gain from it, and I resent the suspicion. I could profit from the rumored price fixing, as could anyone paying attention to the market, but I'm sure that would be short lived and relatively fruitless.

The only operations I'll lead are against those who threaten traditional means of travel in our galaxy. If these rumors turn out to be true, I'll see you in space.

Niraia,
Cynosural Field TheorySupremacy

Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#24 - 2016-04-19 16:55:23 UTC
Rinai Vero wrote:
I love how the supposed plan to put an end to "Gallente Aggression" is to invade the Federation with Titans... again.


It read more like the threat to deploy such Titan strike forces, rather than actually doing it.

Of course, proliferation of this technology would mean all factions being able to deploy such strike forces. Bypassing everyone's cynojammer defences.

Which, in theory, might lead to a peace agreement, because all sides would realise that should they attack, the counterstrike by opposition forces would be just as lethal.

Tempting as it may be to a Minmatar to rush in and bombard Amarr Prime, I doubt that they'd be willing to trade Matar for it.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#25 - 2016-04-19 17:01:22 UTC
Ms. Jenneth; nothing to worry about. You're being careful to note that your experience is as a pilot in a fleet and not as a coordinator, and that's a much-appreciated thing.

I'd also like to voice my appreciation for the pilots who fly with us. Empire-loyal pilots fly alongside Matari militiamen, Pandemic Legion pilots and Goonswarm pilots engage Drifters alike, and our operations run smoothly.

While I don't expect that this like-mindedness extends outside of our operations, that we're able to benefit from collaboration with so many pilots of diverse background is heartening.

Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?

Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#26 - 2016-04-19 17:12:40 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:

None of what she said in that post was a lie though. She posted verified links and cited her sources..... more than you have done to back up your rambling. So I believe that it is you who are, in fact, the liar without honor.

Only a complete moron would believe that I am a liar or that I don't have honor, Claudia. Are you the one?

But since you have failed before the eyes of whole IGS to see the lie in words of dishonorable liar Makoto Priano, I'll shove your nose into it:
Makoto Priano wrote:
and I believe demonstrates the depth of her delusion.


Now think, what would be a delusion of a Caldari Officer? Pointing on the words of that liar Makoto Priano and pointing out how she lost her honor by her cowardice and inability to defend them?

Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#27 - 2016-04-19 18:03:45 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:


Now think, what would be a delusion of a Caldari Officer?

That you're actually a Caldari officer and not a toy soldier. To be blunt, Kimmy, Priano has brought more verifiable facts to a single argument with you, than you have brought to the entire IGS since I've been here. You make claims, you accuse and point finger. But I have yet to see you post one shred of evidence that hasn't been met with a rebuttal you could cope with, without stooping to ad hominem. As an effective means of combating any enemy propaganda or furthering the propaganda of the state, you are the single biggest failure since the dawn of information warfare. You should stick to shooting things that aren't your mouth.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Ria Nieyli
Nieyli Enterprises
When Fleets Collide
#28 - 2016-04-19 18:06:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
Question Asker wrote:
Executive Lagann also seemed surprised at the suggestion that Drifter Elements might be a control mechanism for a wormhole generator device, stating that "none of our research or studies have shown anything like that, to my knowledge.


Some research that is.

Took me and another pilot ca. fifteen minutes to figure it out over an open channel.

Tisk tisk.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#29 - 2016-04-19 19:46:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
Ria Nieyli wrote:
Question Asker wrote:
Executive Lagann also seemed surprised at the suggestion that Drifter Elements might be a control mechanism for a wormhole generator device, stating that "none of our research or studies have shown anything like that, to my knowledge.


Some research that is.

Took me and another pilot ca. fifteen minutes to figure it out over an open channel.

Tisk tisk.

For scientists, an answer to a question, or solution to a problem, is not true until proven so. And sometimes that means revealing what mere mortals already knew, like, say the fact that getting to the hospital quicker can save heart-attack victims, or, the seemingly far-fetched idea that exercise is good for you.

Here, I'll illustrate this once more.

  • Students who do homework get higher grades.
  • Men slow down when walking with their girlfriends.
  • Men stare at women's boobs.
  • Overeating can lead to a weight gain.
  • Magazines mostly feature young women. This can give older women bad body image.
  • Restricting high-risk individuals from owning guns saves lives.
  • Reading is good for your brain.
  • The IGS is where productivity comes to die.

Okay, I made up that last one. I should actually write a paper on it since I'm stuck at the office anyway.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#30 - 2016-04-19 20:18:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Claudia Osyn
Jaret Victorian wrote:

  • The IGS is where productivity comes to die.

  • Okay, I made up that last one. I should actually write a paper on it since I'm stuck at the office anyway.

    You're at the office and lurking on the IGS instead of working? I think you have just proven your own hypothesis good sir.

    A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

    Jaret Victorian
    Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
    Arataka Research Consortium
    #31 - 2016-04-19 20:20:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
    Claudia Osyn wrote:
    Jaret Victorian wrote:

  • The IGS is where productivity comes to die.
  • Okay, I made up that last one. I should actually write a paper on it since I'm stuck at the office anyway.

    You're at the office and lurking on the IGS instead of working? I think you have just proven your own hypothesis good sir.

    A scientist, a publisher and a test subject all in one person!
    Diana Kim
    State Protectorate
    Caldari State
    #32 - 2016-04-19 20:43:33 UTC
    Claudia Osyn wrote:
    Diana Kim wrote:


    Now think, what would be a delusion of a Caldari Officer?

    That you're actually a Caldari officer and not a toy soldier. To be blunt, Kimmy, Priano has brought more verifiable facts to a single argument with you, than you have brought to the entire IGS since I've been here. You make claims, you accuse and point finger. But I have yet to see you post one shred of evidence that hasn't been met with a rebuttal you could cope with, without stooping to ad hominem. As an effective means of combating any enemy propaganda or furthering the propaganda of the state, you are the single biggest failure since the dawn of information warfare. You should stick to shooting things that aren't your mouth.

    I use ad hominem against dishonorable scum, who deserved it.

    I can back all my claims with facts if I will be asked properly and politely without ad hominems. Most of my so called "finger pointings" are against those, who start ad hominems against me without reason. I treat them as dirt and I don't hide it. And if I can't bring facts to prove my claims - I'll bring apologies to readers. As a Caldari Officer I shall not make wrong claims, and I might make them only by a mistake, that I will be gladly to fix if I'd find one (I hope I didn't make any mistakes).

    In contrary, Makoto Priano might have posted a lot of facts, but she also posted a lot of obvious lies and have dishonored herself in the eyes of whole IGS. She mixes truth with lies.

    But for me if the whole post of truth contains at least one lie, it is a lie already.
    And everything that Priano says shouldn't be trusted. Take for example that liar Makoto's reply, where you have foolishly doubted presence of obvious lie. Yes, it contained a lot of facts. But one lie that Makoto has stupidly put there made whole her post a lie.

    Though I wouldn't put it as an "evidence of Makoto being a liar". Since it has been proven long ago here.

    Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

    In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

    Jaret Victorian
    Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
    Arataka Research Consortium
    #33 - 2016-04-19 20:48:48 UTC
    I am genuinely confused, Diana, could you please back all your claims with facts?
    Diana Kim
    State Protectorate
    Caldari State
    #34 - 2016-04-19 21:25:23 UTC
    One at a time please, Mr. Victorian.

    Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.

    In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.

    Jaret Victorian
    Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
    Arataka Research Consortium
    #35 - 2016-04-19 21:30:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
    Former Caldari State Executor Tibus Heth as a True Caldari Hero and Patriot.

    If you don't mind.
    Aria Jenneth
    Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
    Khimi Harar
    #36 - 2016-04-19 21:38:02 UTC
    Jaret Victorian wrote:
    Former Caldari State Executor Tibus Heth as a True Caldari Hero and Patriot.

    If you don't mind.

    Oh, gods.

    Can we not? Please?

    It's not that this was a very high-quality thread to begin with, but ... I don't really see how baiting Ms. Kim is fun for anybody anymore. It's cruel, it's pointless, it's really really hard to watch.

    It's also really boring.

    Please, can we not?
    Jaret Victorian
    Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
    Arataka Research Consortium
    #37 - 2016-04-19 21:43:30 UTC
    I'm quite interested in the matter, really, with all these rumors of the investigation reopening, and it so happens that Diana volunteered to back all her claims.

    I also need some material for my "The IGS is where productivity comes to die." paper. I can't be the only sample, you know.

    So a win-win, as I see it.
    Aria Jenneth
    Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
    Khimi Harar
    #38 - 2016-04-19 21:50:23 UTC
    Jaret Victorian wrote:
    I'm quite interested in the matter, really, with all these rumors of the investigation reopening, and it so happens that Diana volunteered to back all her claims.

    I also need some material for my "The IGS is where productivity comes to die." paper. I can't be the only sample, you know.

    So a win-win, as I see it.

    Doesn't generating an outcome sort of damage your paper?
    Jaret Victorian
    Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
    Arataka Research Consortium
    #39 - 2016-04-19 21:54:47 UTC
    Aria Jenneth wrote:

    Doesn't generating an outcome sort of damage your paper?

    That'll go into the "experiment" section.
    Ria Nieyli
    Nieyli Enterprises
    When Fleets Collide
    #40 - 2016-04-19 22:03:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Ria Nieyli
    Jaret Victorian wrote:
    Ria Nieyli wrote:
    Question Asker wrote:
    Executive Lagann also seemed surprised at the suggestion that Drifter Elements might be a control mechanism for a wormhole generator device, stating that "none of our research or studies have shown anything like that, to my knowledge.


    Some research that is.

    Took me and another pilot ca. fifteen minutes to figure it out over an open channel.

    Tisk tisk.

    For scientists, an answer to a question, or solution to a problem, is not true until proven so. And sometimes that means revealing what mere mortals already knew, like, say the fact that getting to the hospital quicker can save heart-attack victims, or, the seemingly far-fetched idea that exercise is good for you.

    Here, I'll illustrate this once more.

    • Students who do homework get higher grades.
    • Men slow down when walking with their girlfriends.
    • Men stare at women's boobs.
    • Overeating can lead to a weight gain.
    • Magazines mostly feature young women. This can give older women bad body image.
    • Restricting high-risk individuals from owning guns saves lives.
    • Reading is good for your brain.
    • The IGS is where productivity comes to die.

    Okay, I made up that last one. I should actually write a paper on it since I'm stuck at the office anyway.


    Please spare me the litany, I'm very well aware of the academical push to publish papers regardless of actual quality. It's pretty much a career requirement.