EVE General Discussion

Rank and file goons are not the problem.

The problem is mittens and his ego.

Not sure if any of you know this, but they aren't still sitting in Saranen, those are mostly just alts and what not messing around.

But this war has left a real bad taste in my mouth. It seems like they turned into the standard "I I can't be sure of a win i won't even try" types of players EVE has always had, rather than the bold Rifter flying "screw it, it's a game, CHARGE" types they used to be.

Marginally more players. MBC fleet numbers peaked at ~3000. The Imperium was 40k strong at the start so for matching numbers of 3000 would require of 7.5% participation across the coalition. That's it. An entirely achievable number considering it was a fight in your home space for the survival of that space.

So for years goons et al sit around telling everybody they are not in EVE for small gang and skirmishes but for the huge narrative driven wars, and here one is, on their doorstep, and.....they can't be bothered to log in for it.

Supers have negligible use in Fozziesov and as for warchests, where has 6-7 years of ratting taxes, rental income, r64, technetium bubble, FW exploit and market manipulations ISK gone?

BRAVE knew they weren't going to win the war but they still killed Hurley's titan, won a station with a t1 cruiser having final shot against a super fleet, and formed 1000 to defend their home station on the eve of defeat. TEST drove fleet after fleet of battleships into dreadnoughts in 6VDT, reshipping three, four, five times in the night and made gaming history. WALLTREIPERS held out in a one single system while massively outnumbered, dropping supers on SBUs right under everyone's nose. All those stories they can take away and will last forever because they realised it was only a game they were playing.

The only thing Imperium will be remembered for is being basic bitches who gave up and ran away, or were too scurred over their imaginary pixels to even take part in the first place.

Also, you can't actually lose everything, your SP's don't go away (well, you can lose some flying a T3 ship).

You could be a 30 mill + SP toon, lose everything you have and still end up with a FREE rookie ship and go have fun with it and rebuild your empire from scratch.

I strongly suggest you not keep all your eggs in one basket. Have an alt in an NPC corp acting as your rainy day fund, with ISK and ships and all kinds of backup stuff. If your main boat goes down with your corp buddies and your alliance, your alt comes over in the dinghy, picks you up, and gets you back on your feet in a heartbeat. All the while, your main looks awesome for going down and losing a bunch with everyone else.

It also lets you go 100% at your foes. They have no idea about your rainy day fund. You can hit them full tilt and know you have a parachute.

Those would all be good points, if the Imperium were the innocent victim minding its own business and suddenly found itself being invaded. and had to survive.

Except, it was the Imperium itself who claimed they were going to make everyone "bend the knee and enjoy the benefits of The Imperium, or be evicted and replaced with someone who will" and, on top of viceroying the whole of nullsec, somehow thought they would make incursion into lowsec to take their moons as well just for laughs. So effectively they were planning to take on all that makes up the MBC today.

Obviously, at that time, they didn't consider themselves a coalition of "inactives or alts" or otherwise they would never have tried such a thing.

Never in the history of this game have I seen the self-perception of a group, the delusions of grandeur, and the nonstop chest beating just soooooooooo far removed from the actual reality of things.

You keep saying "sure loss", I guess if you've already talked yourself into it, then it becomes true.

FYI: every Deklein timer I have entosed has been in a half fit sabre. I actually think "I'm a sitting duck here, if anyone bothers to come I'm pretty much dead".

Last night Ya0 passively regen'd back to secure because literally no one bothered to show at all.

These would be "sure wins", if anyone cared enough to try, except they don't.

You can't honestly suggest that the Imperium stands even a remote chance in all out combat in this war.

This is no different, people shouldn't have to sit around defending timers every day for people who commit nothing to setting them up and have no interest in actually contesing sov.

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"but they do provide fights and contents so it suits that need as well"
Hardly, there's small scraps between tiny ships from time to time but most of the fights are happening either in the same way the used to from grudges like MoA vs Imperium or over moons.

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Nat, would you not agree that anyone too lazy and incompetent to defend their space would lose their space? And that's not happening, so obviously laziness and incompetence is not the problem. Oh, look out, your obvious bias is showing.

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According to you we aren't defending our space, therefore if the people attacking it were actually committed to taking it from us we would not have it. And yes, what we are seeing is just an entosis troll brigade, which is why the timers are only being taken if completely uncontested. Just because there's people reddit posting like their lives depended on it doesn't mean anything's actually being committed.

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We obviously can handle it, that doesn't make it fun to do, but then it's fairly obvious you have no interest in the actual game mechanics being entertaining - probably because you're too busy RMTing to consider the entertainment value of games.

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But the negative effect isn't coming from the mechanic, they aren't taking sov, the negative effect is coming from the fact that the game is terrible. I'd have absolutely no problem if we were to simply lose all of our space because someone is capable of taking it, but sitting through incredibly boring and badly designed mechanics just makes me wonder what CCP did with their game designers.

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As for shark infested, it would be better if that were the case as they would be less likely to run away when people show up for fights. We have basically no chance of losing sov, since whether someone with isk was pissed off or not, to take sov the attacker have to see the timers through. They don't which is basically the whole problem. Attackers spend nothing half contesting the sov then running away. They don't actually want sov since they are just fighting for the e-honor of a guaranteed RMTer anyway, so they don't have to commit to the fight. Defenders on the other had have to commit every time

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But we already don't struggle, hence us not losing our space. The problem once again is that the act of doing so is boring, meaning the best way to deal with sov is to simply not hold it. I'm really not sure what it is about basic English you are failing to grasp.

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But they can't actually attack, they can just annoy. If they want to take and hold sov they still have to fight the same numbers.

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It's been said multiple times over, but the fact hat we are still holding our space against a significantly larger number of enemies shows that we aren't overextended, but that still doesn't mean the mechanics we're all forced to deal with don't suck.

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Your definition of "on fire" differs from the normal definition.

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Cry more. The only reason our leadership has pissed people off is because they've managed to accomplish something you guys would have no hope of. The fact that you guys are so delusional that you are acting like you've already won makes it all the more amusing.

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Stop being terrible.

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If we were overextended we wouldn't be able to defend against even a balanced attack, which clearly we were able to do. It's pretty simple to understand, if you have 1000 people in a single system and a 2000 man fleet flies in and roflstomps you, you didn't lose because you were overextended.

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I'd say it's a bit early to be calling it losing. Most of BoB did their abandoning of sov before they started because they knew what was coming up. We're dealing with the war from fresh and with the whole CO2 thing so we're taking a bit of a hit but I have no doubt that once we find our footing we'll hammer our way though and BoB will realise how shockingly overconfident they are being.

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I don't think you know what crying is. Those are simply the facts, but by all means point out what parts of my post are dishonest. Or is constructive conversation beyond your reach?

Do you know what you sound like right now?

That's not what I heard in this thread. In fact, please allow me to quote some highlights:

DBRB taking out a few "sword fleets" on his Twitch stream hardly counts as seriously trying to defend, Lucas.