Wormholes

I think "nerf to income" is not the right term for what will happen. It is more an increased risk for the same income, because you have to use your statics instead of just farming your homesystem.

if by 'things' you mean doing nothing but farming in complete safety, then youre correct.

Have you actually paid attention to what has happened in wspace over its lifetime?
Let's break it down.

Originally it started out with no one knowing wtf they were doing, as you'd expect, from where it moved into a very hostile period where the aim of living in whs was almost exclusively to pvp in whs at the upper levels of corps in c5-c6 space. C6 space was populated by almost exclusively pvp based corps who lived in C6>C6 systems for the express purpose of being able to run into other like minded corps more often to throw down.
pve only groups who would not fight were not tollerated in high end wspace and were actively hunted down and evicted by the high end corps, often on a weekly basis.
then people started figuring out how to run cap escalations.
they figured out that forming coalitions of semi pve/pvp corps allowed them to rake in endless amounts of isk and have the artificial (artificial because these alliances typically had very limited life spans) numbers to fight off the large pvp corps, which they did.
this lead to the general failure and collapse of the old power structure in the upper levels of wh corps, which happens, things change.
what it lead to was a fairly long period of instability with medium sized corps floating from one alliance to another every few months is a seemingly endless search for the biggest blob behind which to hide while running escalations.
pve only groups were left largely alone, people spent more time away on pve expeditions with skeleton crews than they did in their home system with pvp toons and wspace in general raked it in.
this lead to an effective arms race between many incredibly wealthy corps who drastically reduced recruitment policies where the end goal was always raw numbers over quality pilots and eventually a few groups rose to the top and became the new power base in wspace.
these groups decided that rather than fight each other, as the old corps did, they would ally themselves with each other in order to completely lock down their base of power, allowing them to dictate how high end wspace developed.
their primary goal became establishing an insurmountable isk advantage by evicting any and all corps, pve and pvp alike, from C6 space and PVE valuable C5s, ie: magnetars, and replacing them with either rental corps who paid tribute to be allowed to farm in those systems, or their own alt corps that they used to farm themselves.
the hay day is over for this structure already, i suspect mostly since they really dont need any more isk, but the effects on this structure will be felt in wspace for a long time.

over the years wspace has undergone many political/structural changes but each and every one of them was linked either directly or indirectly to cap escalations and maximizing profits from them.
the time of escalations need to end. less people running escalations is a good thing, not a bad thing.

That's a good brief summery of the history of wormhole space jack, even if it is only from a C5/C6 dwellers perspective.

Personally, i started from a C2 and worked my way up through C4, C5 and C6 space where I am now. The key contributing factors for me wanting to get to higher class wormhole was the isk earning potential and opportunity to play with capital ships. I'm sure that this applies to many other people.



Please explain why you think less capital ships being vulnerable to attack in space, is good for wormhole and the groups whose main activities revolve around hunting them... People who want to farm will still do so, only they will use harder to catch ships and more efficient methods.

You talk as if CCP could take away all isk from wormhole space and people would still PVP for to love of it. Nerfing income will only lead to even more empty systems and people looking to k-space for their isk.

Don't misunderstand me, i'm not advocating for the continuation of farmable sites. I'm all for the changes providing they increase the value of the drifter and the escalation sleepers, and change how they plan for escalation waves to spawn.

Times have changed and nothing is unknow in wormhole space anymore. It's sad to say but the fact is, everything in wormhole space revolves around PVE now. The old PVP days eventually deteriorated in to arranged fights, which is something I hate. I prefer enguagements that happen dynamically and PVE can sometimes bring that about.

We have discussed this before but I've alway said I believe WH space lacks sufficient conflict drivers. PVP only corps are simply unsustainable in wormhole space without carebears to hunt. These groups end up getting most of their fights from k-space which doesn't help the situation.

Anyway, we are going off topic at this point. The player base has said everything that needs to be said, but it doesn't look like CCP are paying attention.

Thanks for your feedback so far folks!

We have adjusted the spawning of the new Drifter so that people who can't handle it (marauders for instance) can skip it completely.
Under the new system, a structure will decloak once the site is completed and you have the option of spawning the drifter by shooting that structure.

We've also done a major balance pass on the new NPCs over the weekend, upping the challenge significantly. We're very interested in hearing what you folks think about the version that is on SISI right now. As a side note, the Drifter does not doomsday in its current iteration, but the neuting power has been ramped up quite significantly to provide a significant challenge without the danger of "one shotting" people.

Yupp, that escalationwave just killed a carrier in under a minute.

Ok now I can't kill escalation wave in C5 with solo Thanatos :D (good)
Took several minutes to kill me yet I didn't kill a single escalation BS

Nice. A good simple fix to cater for lower end PVE :)


yeah there's no way a marauder is gonna solo a drifter, assuming theyre anything like the current drifters, hence this change being needed.

While you're under the hood, can you make C4 waves spawn at reasonable ranges?