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Well noted!
Yesterday I joined mass test on sisi.
And that stupid daily popped out every time I undock.
That brought me again to hurtful thoughts.

My feedback in feedback forum was closed ;)
So i repost it here:

Hello CCP, while i do understand your incentive behind the planned "dailys" I am convinced you are doing it the wrong way. It's fact that a part of playerbase is strictly against handing out sp. Some of those don't like that there is another way to gain sp the other part is hating theneed to do dailys cause of their experience with other online games. While I do understand the first half, it's the second half that got the real argument. EVE always had a System in place that allowed you to keep up without the need to play every day. With the upcoming change you are hurting that part of eve badly. You punish those players , who can't log in on a daily basis. You are hurting people that escaped from the "daily"-madness other games introduced. It's even more frustrating cause you could achieve that goal in a cooler and better way. It should be your goal to do things better then all those other games. A bad feature still is a bad feature even if the incentive may be good.

How to do it better:
At first you should stop to punish those guys that can't log in on a daily basis. To do that you should change the timeframe from one day to a week. Instead of a daily task you now got a weekly task and a lot more players can take full advantage of this change.

The second change is to step away from "kill a npc" to "do something". It's absolutely wrong to force people to change their gameplay. Make it "eve ingame action" instead. An eve ingame action could be killing a belt rat, placing a buy order , starting a module, activating a jump gate, or killing another player. Important is that every playstyle is getting enough "eve-actions" to get one every 2-3 minutes while playing. If you registered an eve-action on a client people are on a 5 minute cool down before they can get another eve action.
In a week a maximum of lets say 50 eve-actions may be gathered. Every action is worth 1000sp. That's about the amount you are aiming currently.
In 250 minutes of playing you are done. And it doesn't matter in what way you are playing. It's just important that you do play. Numbers could be tweaked of course.

For most people it won't feel like you are doing dailys. They don't nned to change their playstyle.
It's still an incentive to log in regulary and play the game. It's helping noobs to feel a kind of progress.
If you are really nice you give people a kind of "holiday-mode" so they can chose4 weeks ayear to get those lp without having ingame actions. That way you can ensure people can relax on the beach while having an eve-break.

In my opinion this approach to the login-problem is superior cause its more suited to the eve gamer in general. I hope I could give some ideas to think about.

I'm no native speaker so please forgive my horrible grammatic 😃

I couldn't agree with this more. I'm on record on this very forum as saying that CCP was shooting itself in the foot by imposing a small gang centered sov system on "big fight space" (sov null).

Low sec, NPC null and wormholes already existed for small gang/solo stuff. But there is such a bias against 'blobbing' that we ended up with Aegis sov and many of us who like real fleet fights were left out in the cold. Before this latest war (which has mostly fizzled out), I can only think of 2-3 good fleet fights (like at least 70+ per side) I enjoyed in Aegis sov, and those fights didn't even involve the sov system!

It wasn't a fleet fight a day in Dominion and I agree that Dominion sucked but this wack-a-mole crap sucks worse imo.

While I think your intentions are good, I still believe making people WANT to login is far superior than forcing them to log in. Don't devs play other MMOs? Tell me the name of a single MMO where the community LOVES dailies. None.

Nuke it from orbit, dammit!

Also is interesting how PCU rised with Blood Harvest, Frostline and The Hunt. It's as if PvE was capable of luring players... as if the majority, a VAST majority, of ex-EVE players are PvE types... if there are 2 PvE players for each PvPer and PvEr's stay subscribed for half the time as PvPrs, this means that 4 in 5 ex-players were PvE players.

As for small vs big battle, some people pointed that maybe CCP's goal was to provide more meaningful experiences to more players. As in the most exhilarating, thrilling and "meaningful" fights for PvPrs were small fights, opposed to F1 monkeying under 10% TiDi. So would be a good thing to have lots of heart pumping small player-relevant battles each week, than a single game-relevant battle experienced as 6 hours of heavy TiDi once each six months.

But frankly I am stepping out of my premises here.

For me, personally, this feature is OK, it will not hurt my feelings or anything that someone is getting more skillpoints for being out there in space.

Yet, to me those daily incentives in games have always felt rather underwhelming or to the opposite, irritating in their rather unreasonable requirements generated by randomness in both the path to achieving them and the reward itself. About this one, i have to say... CCP, the value of your daily incentive is way up there. I've never, ever played a game that would reliably provide you with a boost of such magnitude RELIABLY as daily incentive.

Please just stop. Take a step back. THINK about what you are doing. You are destroying the game you have built. You are running off your player base little by little and this time its for a half assed idea that tops them all so far. I dont want to feel the need to login cause it has the opposite effect. It makes me NOT want to log in.

Is it really worth it to you? To have a few more login daily and end up possibly losing more than you started with?

You implied more than weekly between log ins, for "ages" is what you said.

So no, you just subscribe to eve, not actually play it, I'd also apply it to anyone doing the same thing.

In a classic sense, anyone not logging in for that long and doing stuff in game isn't playing it.

I sub to another couple of games but haven't logged in for a while, am I playing them, or just handing cash over for no reason?

The difference is the EVE skill queue. Here, maintaining a subscription gives you the same benefit regardless of whether you play or not. Other games, not so much. So yes, you're wasting money.



And if you can't do it for whatever reason, say being unable to log in due to irl, you miss out on that reward and essentially get penalised.