Ships & Modules

Doesn't seem to me like an healthy thing to have in the game but I'm sure someone would disagree just the same.

When jumping into a system and finding a hostile Svipul on gate, even warping to an instant-warp bookmark from the gate with around 2.5s align time (considerably less time than that required thanks to the BM) and a having a 33m sig, it won't help. Heck, your pod is probably gonna get popped too.

Top solo killer for the game's most popular ship (hint: ship name starts with S) this week:

https://zkillboard.com/ship/34562/solo/

- All he does is sit in Litiuara and gets free kills, minimal risk to it as well and the hull runs at only 50m or so, meaning not exactly a huge loss even if he somehow does bite the dust. He's far from the only one pulling this little tactic too.

I'm glad people are enjoying getting free kills with their Svipuls but this just detracts from the enjoyment of everyone else as it's a largely unpreventable situation, scouting every system beforehand is NOT a realistic option for most players and even the Starmap will often not suffice to prevent these losses from happening. In a single word, Tedious.

The transport of frigates and other small ships CAN be done either through alts (instead risking suicide ganks) or through courier contracts. That doesn't really change what's going on outside of highsec and increases the time investment required for many pilots just to get some proper pew-pew going.

The main point here is perhaps that this phenomenon underlines yet again what a harsh counter T3D's are to frigates, and in particular the Svipul stands out.

The Svipul is dominating according to zkillboard at the moment with 26 000 kills in the last 7 days. Sabre, an interdictor and also a minmatar anti-frigate platform, comes in second with only 14 000 kills.


Seems to me like CCP popularized frigates and created a healthy frigate meta, only to drop T3D's to hard counter it all together. That's why I feel like the current state of T3D's and especially the Svipul is unhealthy for the game. Most people I've talked to so far have echoed this sentiment as well, so why not address the issue?


Just a thought.

svip's are effective against most anything, not just Frigates. The problem is they are really good cookie cutter ship. Does everything pretty well.


Also due to there introduction Assault Frigates have become next to worthless when it comes down to it, T3D can do everything they can do but better, Better tanks, Speed and Damage.

No one was trying to solo a Svipul here. The shiploss was largely unavoidable, that's never a good thing. To exercise caution undocking from popular stations or low or null-sec entry gates or common suicide gank systems, sure. For every system in the game to be a potential ticket back to home station and an insurance payout mail just because there was a single pilot in the game's most popular PvP ship sitting on the gate - that's not healthy.

Eve has always had an element of rock paper scissors but Svipul in this instance is the shotgun. In addition to being such a hard counter to frigates however it also performs very well vs other ships whilst having good mobility and the numbers show a blatant overuse of the ship.

How is that balanced in any way? People supporting this are either looking to troll or enjoy getting lazy kills in their Svipuls and probably cried too about T3D's being locked out of the small plexes.

- As for Assault Frigates, they at least can fit into the small Plexes and cost about half as much but I do see how T3D's could diminish their popularity. I have no evidence of this actually being the case though.

You don't know how to read, do you?

You don't get how instant warp works do you?

I've proven the contrary already and can provide more evidence if you wish.

You seem obsessed to believe I'm crying about nerfs about this and that, I don't particularly care I just find it odd that Svipul's existence is allowed to linger (besides, it's more likely than not gonna get the nerf bat anyway at some point).

Maybe stop fantasizing as well and start reading, the topic is specifically about frigates.

- And no, I wouldn't care btw.

EDIT: and no wonder the activity on this board has dropped substantially. What a garbage subforum community and trash input

Sure, destoyers ARE supposed to counter frigates. However to shotgun-counter frigates is a different story altogether. Similarly a Cruiser will typically counter a Destroyer, difference being, a Cruiser does not have the same ability to trap and kill a Destroyer.

As for alts, cry more and look at the arguments instead of anything else.

I'm not entirely sure what is wrong with an Destroyer being good at killing frigates? A destroyer should be able to kill just about any frigate in the game, especially an t3 50mill one.....

As they should in relation to all frigates and T1 and T2 destroyers.

T1 cruisers can beat Svipuls and the other T3 Destoyers, but it's ok that a T3 of the year lower can hold its own against a T1 in the next class up.

^^ this

svipuls are prevalent right atm and thats a huge sign of something being out of balance.

fkin svipuls everywhere like a plague.




so you tell me, that svipuls negating and making every ship class below irrelevant is a good thing??
What about titans? Should they negate everything below also?