EVE General Discussion

Please stop mewling and swearing now.

What next, Texas law?

You assume I dont know how Wardecs work or any other aspect of EVE. You're wrong.
Exploration, Mining, PI, Combat Mission Running, Manufacturing, WH's etc are all things I'm pretty well versed in. PVP, I'm admittedly still wet behind the ears. I do know how Wardecs work as I've been on both sides of them personally. I've played actively for 3 months and while I don't have all of the worldly experience of how the game has changed over 10 years, I have a pretty decent grasp of the game as it is today.

There is rarely a thread started by anyone on these forums that doesnt end up in insults, back and forth banter and so on, I'll leave it at that. I've made my point and you are welcome to disagree with it as many of you do. You're entitled to your opinion the same as I am regardless of money spent or length of play time.

This thread is evidence to the contrary

That's nice and all, however none of this has anything to do with running a corp.

My point exactly, learn to defend yourself first, then learn to defend as a group, then start a corp.

You just need to learn the value of an alt.

Train one up to mine and run level 1 missions, then do what I do.

Just laugh to yourself when they waste 50mil isk . That way you nearly carry on as normal enjoying what you do.

With the daily sp about to arrive you can train it without pausing your skill queue as well, bonus.

It might be a clue when your opinion is roundly rejected and trashed by pretty much every respondent but I suspect your level of entitlement and ego (so clearly on show) will prevent you from taking any useful lessons from this.

Enjoy the wardecs, you are going to see a lot of them.

Tiger, its sadly obvious that nobody really cares about the plights of new players. They are like Grandpas and Grammas telling the kids how they walked 3 miles, barefoot in the snow and you should suck it up and do it too. Its a bit funny to see. I'm told the word "entitlement" will get you flamed when that's all I see in these threads. Older vets who feel entitled to keeping everything miserable for everyone else because they suffered through years of it to various degrees. God forbid a non disgruntled veteran have an opinion about an obviously broken mechanic.

Boy oh boy!

Going to flat out call bullshit on that one. I fly in an alliance largely dedicated to helping new players. But rather than ***** and moan about the injustice of it all, we spend our time and effort teaching them how things work and how to succeed in the game. I learn as much by helping as the newer folks do by participating. I spend most of my time in game doing this. The difference between them and you is attitude: they want to learn and accept advice whereas you just spew your "opinion" based on three months of playing and a couple hundred dollars worth of ISK squandered on obviously wasted SP injectors.

This whole thread is you whining about how there are aspects of the game that are "unfair" but really this is about you not being able to "win," so in your opinion it must be broken, because in your "opinion" you are already a self-declared expert in the game based on three months of playing and spending a bunch of money on SP.

Complete bunch of crap. Stop trying to drag new players into your own ego-driven whine-fest.

It's almost like there were no bored vets sitting on years of OTEC income spinning gank alts to systematically attack new corps, no entrenched metagaming because people still did stuff via in game fights, no massive proliferation of highly complex out of game tools that are regarded as 'standard' by the current 'elite' to send pings to each other and co-ordinate actions out of game.

Trying to claim that 'I did it 9 years ago, so obviously it's exactly the same today' is an outright joke. The technology involved which allows gankers and wardeccers to suppress a group has undergone massive evolution.
And one of the best hopes for Highsec corps to see more meaning looks like failing before it even starts due to insufficient firepower from a High Sec citadel against the targets it actually has to deal with and the outright advantages being continually handed to null sec.

So yea.. nah.
There are real issues surrounding new players in EVE now, and they are caused by the toxic parts of the community who have too much wealth built up and not enough to do with it.
The solutions to it don't lie in the wardec mechanics though, and don't lie in making concord respond faster either, those are just visible symptoms of the problem.

I'm just curious that since the majority of you shouting from the rooftops about how I shouldn't be a CEO, dont know how to play the game and or otherwise have no idea what I'm doing if I should just remain in an NPC corp like the rest of you to avoid wardecs and not try at all or are those just the toons you use to post on the forums? I guess thats just part of the evasion tactics you learn after years of being an uber hard core EVE pilot?

Ah, so it a case of it's ok for you to whine about mechanics that you feel are bad, but not ok for others to point out weaknesses or alternatives to your argument without also being criticised for how they approach the game/forum.

As usual, it's an argument laced with hypocrisy.

In fact, the answer isn't that you shouldn't be a CEO. It's that as a CEO, you should take responsibility for every aspect that includes, wardecs being very much a part of that.

So whinging and whining for CCP to protect you by changing wardec mechanics isn't a sign that you shouldn't necessarily be a CEO, it's just a sign to others that they should consider whether you are someone worth following.