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Vni worthless for Plex's

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Sabotaged
Veritas Vincit
#1 - 2016-04-16 23:59:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabotaged
Lost 3 4 million isk drones in a single Angel Hub because every time I put out a heavy drone, they immediately switch targets and blap the heavy. Made about 2 million in 2 hours. So far I find VNI to be completely worthless for plex's. I can last maybe 30 seconds in a Haven without losing complete shield. I warp in at 50 and orbit a can at 30. failure.

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edit: I give up. After 3 hours of just wasting my time I lost another heavy the moment I put it out. Going to play dota 2 instead and just run incursions if I need isk.
Amanda Chan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-04-17 01:07:27 UTC
Or..you know.....you could use sentry drones.
Uriam Khanid
New Machinarium Corporation
#3 - 2016-04-17 02:30:35 UTC
Amanda Chan wrote:
Or..you know.....you could use sentry drones.


and switch to armor, and stay at range, and ...
Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
#4 - 2016-04-17 11:25:18 UTC
Fit an ECM burst to keep the aggro on you ond off of your drones.
And if you can't tank the site, you are doing something wrong. I tried the kiting 100mn VNI myself and it works.
I guess, because you set your orbit around a jetcan and not the center of the site (like the hollow asteroid), your transversal velocity drops 2 times every circle around the can (moving directly towards and away from the NPCs) and this is where you get hit.
If you orbit around the center, your transversal never drops and you should be fine.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#5 - 2016-04-17 17:09:13 UTC
Ive run plex's with an eos and heavys/gecos,a single tp is enough to keep the agro off ofthem for me.
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
#6 - 2016-04-17 18:17:50 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Ive run plex's with an eos and heavys/gecos,a single tp is enough to keep the agro off ofthem for me.


a single tp is never enough for me, nor is jams, or warp scrams....etc etc per the glourious devs that designed the broken system

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Sheeth Athonille
Rabid Dogz Mining
#7 - 2016-04-17 22:16:33 UTC
Single TP is usually enough for me. If not then remote reps should do it, or a ecm burst. Of course you have to be careful with ecm burst as it will cause your drones to attack any friendlies that warp into site and get hit by the burst.
Sir Erighan
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2016-04-23 15:37:59 UTC
You can make more than 2 mil in 2 hours using a hauler and civ guns. Seriously, you either have 0 SPs in drones or have no idea how to play. Watch some videos, learn how to deploy drones, and profit. A VNI can easily run 6/10 plexes and earn 30-50mil per hour in decent Angel space.
Frillo Teslar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2016-04-29 23:43:16 UTC
A small smartbomb or ECM burst makes the rats want to murder your boat instead of the drones.

In regards to tanking: Do you have bad navigation skills? Do you have very bad shield skills?
You should train all relevant shield and nav skills to at least lvl 3 asap.
pushdogg
relocation LLC.
#10 - 2016-04-30 01:15:45 UTC  |  Edited by: pushdogg
It appears you've been sabotaged.
Tzar Sinak
Mythic Heights
#11 - 2016-04-30 02:29:07 UTC
I find a small remote armor repper useful.

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PAPULA
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#12 - 2016-04-30 08:11:47 UTC  |  Edited by: PAPULA
Sabotaged wrote:
Lost 3 4 million isk drones in a single Angel Hub because every time I put out a heavy drone, they immediately switch targets and blap the heavy.

Yea this is very old mechanic, ccp changed npc AI meaning drones will always get attacked first, i have the same problem, i can't use drone ships because AI switches to drones in less than 10 seconds hence i am not using drones in missions or anomalies anymore.

As i said it before, "drones are not allowed in npc environment" nor are they allowed in missions because you simply loose them all super fast.

I hope ccp can change NPC AI back so npc's don't attack drones, but they do attack other players.
If ccp does that i can finally use my dominix and rattlesnake again in missions/plexes/anomalies.

As of now, heavy drones and medium drones are really useless in missions, because they're slow and if you send drones 58km away to shoot npc they will die no matter what you do.

Light drones are kinda ok atm because they're fast and they can speed tank npc's and you get them back fast because of speed, but still if you don't look out for your small drones they will also die very very fast.

Straight

Amanda Chan wrote:
Or..you know.....you could use sentry drones.

Why can't he use heavy drones if he chooses to ?
If i choose to use heavy drones in pve why am i being punished by "new" NPC AI ?
pushdogg
relocation LLC.
#13 - 2016-04-30 08:50:53 UTC
PAPULA wrote:
Sabotaged wrote:
Lost 3 4 million isk drones in a single Angel Hub because every time I put out a heavy drone, they immediately switch targets and blap the heavy.

Yea this is very old mechanic, ccp changed npc AI meaning drones will always get attacked first, i have the same problem, i can't use drone ships because AI switches to drones in less than 10 seconds hence i am not using drones in missions or anomalies anymore.

As i said it before, "drones are not allowed in npc environment" nor are they allowed in missions because you simply loose them all super fast.

I hope ccp can change NPC AI back so npc's don't attack drones, but they do attack other players.
If ccp does that i can finally use my dominix and rattlesnake again in missions/plexes/anomalies.

As of now, heavy drones and medium drones are really useless in missions, because they're slow and if you send drones 58km away to shoot npc they will die no matter what you do.

Light drones are kinda ok atm because they're fast and they can speed tank npc's and you get them back fast because of speed, but still if you don't look out for your small drones they will also die very very fast.

Straight

Amanda Chan wrote:
Or..you know.....you could use sentry drones.

Why can't he use heavy drones if he chooses to ?
If i choose to use heavy drones in pve why am i being punished by "new" NPC AI ?


Punished? If you call using a fork to do the job of a spoon being punished, then yes.
Joey Aele
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2016-04-30 22:42:31 UTC
PAPULA wrote:

Why can't he use heavy drones if he chooses to ?
If i choose to use heavy drones in pve why am i being punished by "new" NPC AI ?

wah why can't i run c6 sites solo in my rifter wah
do it the right way, there's a reason why people use specific fits, and usually it doesn't result in them crying on the forums about not knowing how to PvE with one over the better PvE boats.
Deunan Tenephais
#15 - 2016-05-01 02:01:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Deunan Tenephais
PAPULA wrote:
Why can't he use heavy drones if he chooses to ?
If i choose to use heavy drones in pve why am i being punished by "new" NPC AI ?

He can use whatever he want as long as he make it work, here it's not the case.
He seems to be using the slowest brawler drones (heavy) at mid/long range, it simply won't work, they don't have the speed or the range to avoid being destroyed.
Brawler drones are for brawling, you simply don't have them start at 50 kilometers from the target or you will lose them.
Nalia White
Tencus
#16 - 2016-05-01 19:37:57 UTC
there actualy seems to be some kind of stealth change. usualy when gatecamping, the rats always would aggro the griffin remote sensor boosting me. today the rats would aggro my sabre buddy the whole day and leave my griffin alone.

seems like rats are shooting now the targets they can hit best. in your case the BS ships attacked the BS sized drones instead of your cruiser.

can't confirm, just observation from one day so far.

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Cpt Leks
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2016-05-02 04:38:15 UTC
I can only add from my experience playing on test server right before release (I even posted a feedback thread on SISI forums) that when playing with carrier + fighters it is impossible to rat anything at mid/lon range.

I tried some lvl5s and as soon as I launch fighters half the room agresses them and it is literally the same second and fighters are not even agressed.

And yes I've tried TP/ECM burst but that did not do anything.

A simple trip of fighters 30-40 km away from carrier will result in 5-6 losses or the whole squadron if it gets webbed/scrammed

The only way i see drones working is 1. sentries 2. fast ship burning to each target and using heavies under a close eye for damage.
Frillo Teslar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2016-05-02 08:32:24 UTC
Boys.. Stop. You can easily use heavy drones for AFK ratting. Go look up the 1000's of ratter loss mails on zkill for details.
Davian Thule Pirkibo
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#19 - 2016-05-04 17:17:12 UTC
Sabotaged wrote:
Lost 3 4 million isk drones in a single Angel Hub because every time I put out a heavy drone, they immediately switch targets and blap the heavy. Made about 2 million in 2 hours. So far I find VNI to be completely worthless for plex's. I can last maybe 30 seconds in a Haven without losing complete shield. I warp in at 50 and orbit a can at 30. failure.

[Vexor Navy Issue, Vexor Navy Issue]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer I
Fourier Compact Tracking Enhancer

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Drone Navigation Computer I

Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I



Republic Fleet Berserker x5

edit: I give up. After 3 hours of just wasting my time I lost another heavy the moment I put it out. Going to play dota 2 instead and just run incursions if I need isk.




My advise is to swap out the extenders for purgers, next if the rats aggro your drones in the FORSAKEN HAVEN(this is important) then you need to cause a session change, how this works is a simple as docking and undocking or even ejecting out of your ship.


The reason why this works is because the rats can only lock one target and to switch to drones they need to lock the drones, which they cant because they have you locked. I did this exact fit except i used praetors and swapped one of the purgers for an em screen (sanshas do em therm). Good luck and try again, remember Forsaken HUB
Blade Darth
Room for Improvement
Good Sax
#20 - 2016-05-05 10:32:54 UTC
Angel Hub is not a ded complex.. Drones on auto aggro, deploy, don't touch keyboard, should work.
Rat aggro seems a bit buggy, there are ways to "manage the bug" thou.
Gila seems to work better since only elite frigates will target the drones, and 500% hp medium drones tank a couple such spawns no problem.

As for plexes... i tried to use an ishtar for a 10/10, tank was fantastic but drone aggro was a real pain in the exhaust port, spent probably more time managing drones than killing npc's.
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