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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#321 - 2016-04-17 11:19:56 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
What's funny is you claim it's "tears" as you people tend to, then you immediately start throwing around "mittler" and the ever classic and as of yet unproven "RMT empire". It's even funnier that it's in defense of a IWI who is considered by our communities RMT expert as more likely than not engaged in RMT.

Okay, this one is too good not to respond on it.

"Your communities". So essentially the CFC that is mad and crying about all their stuff being burned down. Totally not biased there, nope. "But they made all that ISK with an out-of-game application! HAXX! CCP PLS BAN THEY BREAK OUR SHINIES!"

Then you accuse IWI of RMT, yet CCP have already temporarily banned them before while they were being investigated and nothing came out of it. Where's the proof you're talking of?
It is by far more likely that Mittani is engaged in RMT than IWI is. There's no proof for either. Yet here you sit, claiming that IWI is RMTing, while denying any and all claims that Mittani is not, but as was pointed out over and over again, he's the one making a living off this game.

Your points get logically destroyed again and again, but somehow you still don't see reason and continue on your path of self-destruction.

This image here sums it down to what you really are, as you have proven so many times and still continue to do.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#322 - 2016-04-17 11:24:15 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Yet again, you have failed to understand a post you're replying to. Happens a lot, doesn't it?.
So you're saying you calling it a "multi-dollar media site" isn't in fact you trying to insult it by claiming it's low income? Be serious mate lol. And if you seriously think ad revenue from a site of that size is enough to live a lavish lifestyle you have serious misunderstandings about ad revenue.

In other words you have just logically proven that Mittani is RMTing ISK.

Lucas Kell wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Ugh, you just perfectly described yourself.
Then it should be no problem for you to dispute the points made rather than just telling me how awful a poster I am and complaining about non-existent RMT.

So I don't get to complain about non-existent RMT (that you have proven with your own words to exist), but you get to throw accusations of RMT at IWI without no proof whatsoever. Good job there, mate ;)

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#323 - 2016-04-17 11:29:58 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
What's funny is you claim it's "tears" as you people tend to, then you immediately start throwing around "mittler" and the ever classic and as of yet unproven "RMT empire". It's even funnier that it's in defense of a IWI who is considered by our communities RMT expert as more likely than not engaged in RMT.
"Your communities". So essentially the CFC that is mad and crying about all their stuff being burned down. Totally not biased there, nope. "But they made all that ISK with an out-of-game application! HAXX! CCP PLS BAN THEY BREAK OUR SHINIES!"
I'm not a member of the Imperum. Whe I say "our community" I mean the EVE community. Go read blogs and posts by Nosy Gamer (who in fact dislikes the Imperium). He went into detail about how many verified bans there have been within IWI and how that indicates systemic RMT rather than the rogue bankers they claim.

Linus Gorp wrote:
Then you accuse IWI of RMT, yet CCP have already temporarily banned them before while they were being investigated and nothing came out of it. Where's the proof you're talking of?
They've also had multiple first offense and permanent bans. The problem is that CCP have no access to IWI logs, so every time IWI simply claims it was the banker or gambler, and CCP have no real way to prove otherwise. Again though, as Nosy has shown the statistics for how many people have been banned make it highly doubtful that it's simply a coincidence that so many people have been independently RMTing within the same group.

Linus Gorp wrote:
It is by far more likely that Mittani is engaged in RMT than IWI is. There's no proof for either. Yet here you sit, claiming that IWI is RMTing, while denying any and all claims that Mittani is not, but as was pointed out over and over again, he's the one making a living off this game.
Why is it far more likely? You yourself have stated that IWI has been blocked under suspicions and we know for a fact that multiple bans have occurred, while Mittani as far as I am aware has never even been temporarily banned for RMT. The only thing that makes you think it's more likely is your own bias.

Linus Gorp wrote:
Your points get logically destroyed again and again, but somehow you still don't see reason and continue on your path of self-destruction.
I'm not sure if you actually know what "logically destroyed" means. You disagreeing with an opinion and going "NOPE, because I hate goons!" doesn't count as logical destruction. In fact the core point I've made - that IWI makes more isk using the app than they would without, thus making the app what facilitates their increase acquisition of isk - is pretty much indisputable. The point of contention is whether or not that is an unfair advantage, and that's subjective so can't be logically destroyed.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#324 - 2016-04-17 11:33:31 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
In other words you have just logically proven that Mittani is RMTing ISK.
How so?

Linus Gorp wrote:
So I don't get to complain about non-existent RMT (that you have proven with your own words to exist), but you get to throw accusations of RMT at IWI without no proof whatsoever. Good job there, mate ;)
You can complain about what you want, but throwing around the accusations with nothing that even suggests it could be true is pretty ridiculous. IWI have plenty of things that suggest they could be RMTing, as alluded to in the post above. Furthermore IWI have a system that could easily masks RMT - which funnily enough is why if you make an eve bank you aren't allowed internal transfers - while Mittani has no such system in place.

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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#325 - 2016-04-17 11:34:26 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Your points get logically destroyed again and again, but somehow you still don't see reason and continue on your path of self-destruction.
I'm not sure if you actually know what "logically destroyed" means. You disagreeing with an opinion and going "NOPE, because I hate goons!" doesn't count as logical destruction. In fact the core point I've made - that IWI makes more isk using the app than they would without, thus making the app what facilitates their increase acquisition of isk - is pretty much indisputable. The point of contention is whether or not that is an unfair advantage, and that's subjective so can't be logically destroyed.

As much as I enjoy beating you to a pulp, this here once again proves that you do not understand the comments you're replying to.

Go back to mining. I'm done trying to educate you.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#326 - 2016-04-17 11:37:18 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
As much as I enjoy beating you to a pulp, this here once again proves that you do not understand the comments you're replying to.
Lol, you've not beaten anything. Even this post is just you claiming you've beaten a point while simultaneously refusing to explain how. From an objective viewpoint you've done exactly what I stated you've been doing. I accept your admission of defeat though since you want to call it a day.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#327 - 2016-04-17 11:50:46 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
As much as I enjoy beating you to a pulp, this here once again proves that you do not understand the comments you're replying to.
Lol, you've not beaten anything. Even this post is just you claiming you've beaten a point while simultaneously refusing to explain how. From an objective viewpoint you've done exactly what I stated you've been doing. I accept your admission of defeat though since you want to call it a day.

I have pointed it out again and again. You just don't understand it, therefore it's a waste of my time to continue doing it. I get you to amuse me with just a few short lines. No need to write complex replies you wouldn't understand anyway.

And if you think you've won (your whatever imaginary battle you think we thought here, since I only was after your crying and that's exactly what I got ;) ), then fine. I honestly don't give a **** about that.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Zet Soirn
Soirn Enterprises
#328 - 2016-04-17 11:53:25 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
As much as I enjoy beating you to a pulp, this here once again proves that you do not understand the comments you're replying to.
Lol, you've not beaten anything. Even this post is just you claiming you've beaten a point while simultaneously refusing to explain how. From an objective viewpoint you've done exactly what I stated you've been doing. I accept your admission of defeat though since you want to call it a day.

I have pointed it out again and again. You just don't understand it, therefore it's a waste of my time to continue doing it. I get you to amuse me with just a few short lines. No need to write complex replies you wouldn't understand anyway.

And if you think you've won (your whatever imaginary battle you think we thought here, since I only was after your crying and that's exactly what I got ;) ), then fine. I honestly don't give a **** about that.



Lucas Got Told!
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#329 - 2016-04-17 11:55:58 UTC
This is like watching two brick walls bashing heads together.

*noms popcorn*

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Zet Soirn
Soirn Enterprises
#330 - 2016-04-17 11:57:42 UTC
Mr Mieyli wrote:
This is like watching two brick walls bashing heads together.

*noms popcorn*


Nah, bruh, it´s more like a well-defined brick hitting a dim lightbulb. Big smile
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#331 - 2016-04-17 11:58:06 UTC
Zet Soirn wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
As much as I enjoy beating you to a pulp, this here once again proves that you do not understand the comments you're replying to.
Lol, you've not beaten anything. Even this post is just you claiming you've beaten a point while simultaneously refusing to explain how. From an objective viewpoint you've done exactly what I stated you've been doing. I accept your admission of defeat though since you want to call it a day.

I have pointed it out again and again. You just don't understand it, therefore it's a waste of my time to continue doing it. I get you to amuse me with just a few short lines. No need to write complex replies you wouldn't understand anyway.

And if you think you've won (your whatever imaginary battle you think we thought here, since I only was after your crying and that's exactly what I got ;) ), then fine. I honestly don't give a **** about that.



Lucas Got Told!

I lol'd hard :D

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#332 - 2016-04-17 12:25:11 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
I have pointed it out again and again.
No, you really haven't. You might think you have, but you really haven't. You've made a good effort to skip over most points presumably because you have no response, and pretty much everything else you've just attempted to attack me as a poster rather than addressing the points themselves.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#333 - 2016-04-17 12:35:01 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
I have pointed it out again and again.
No, you really haven't. You might think you have, but you really haven't. You've made a good effort to skip over most points presumably because you have no response, and pretty much everything else you've just attempted to attack me as a poster rather than addressing the points themselves.


Everyone but you gets it. Is that a problem with everyone else, or is it you?

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When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#334 - 2016-04-17 12:51:27 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
What's funny is you claim it's "tears" as you people tend to, then you immediately start throwing around "mittler" and the ever classic and as of yet unproven "RMT empire". It's even funnier that it's in defense of a IWI who is considered by our communities RMT expert as more likely than not engaged in RMT.

Okay, this one is too good not to respond on it.

"Your communities". So essentially the CFC that is mad and crying about all their stuff being burned down. Totally not biased there, nope. "But they made all that ISK with an out-of-game application! HAXX! CCP PLS BAN THEY BREAK OUR SHINIES!"

Then you accuse IWI of RMT, yet CCP have already temporarily banned them before while they were being investigated and nothing came out of it. Where's the proof you're talking of?
It is by far more likely that Mittani is engaged in RMT than IWI is. There's no proof for either. Yet here you sit, claiming that IWI is RMTing, while denying any and all claims that Mittani is not, but as was pointed out over and over again, he's the one making a living off this game.

Your points get logically destroyed again and again, but somehow you still don't see reason and continue on your path of self-destruction.

This image here sums it down to what you really are, as you have proven so many times and still continue to do.



In fairness to Lucas, and believe me it does feel odd to type that, individual IWI bankers have been sanctioned for RMT, the IWI site was temporarily unlinked from EVE and if IWI itself has avoided becoming a gigantic RMT front it will achieve the distinction of the first ISK gambling operation to do so.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#335 - 2016-04-17 12:58:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Linus Gorp wrote:
Everyone but you gets it. Is that a problem with everyone else, or is it you?
You say "everyone" but you mean "a small vocal minority specifically here to disagree with you". This is why I pay attention to posts which address the actual points being made and make reasonable counterpoints over people like yourself going "Mitler, CFC, RMT, tears, *string of memes*". Any time you want to make some decent counterpoints le me know.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#336 - 2016-04-17 13:29:55 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
In fairness to Lucas, and believe me it does feel odd to type that, individual IWI bankers have been sanctioned for RMT, the IWI site was temporarily unlinked from EVE and if IWI itself has avoided becoming a gigantic RMT front it will achieve the distinction of the first ISK gambling operation to do so.

Well truth be told, I'm ill-informed about IWI and I don't actually care about them either.
My entire agenda here was getting Lucas to amuse me and I succeeded greatly at that.

Lucas Kell wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Everyone but you gets it. Is that a problem with everyone else, or is it you?
Any time you want to make some decent counterpoints le me know.

Tried it before, just like others tried it before me. There's no point doing that with you.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#337 - 2016-04-17 13:51:42 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Well truth be told, I'm ill-informed about IWI and I don't actually care about them either.
My entire agenda here was getting Lucas to amuse me and I succeeded greatly at that.
So confirmed troll then. Is reddit down or something?

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale
#338 - 2016-04-17 14:00:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Linus Gorp
Lucas Kell wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Well truth be told, I'm ill-informed about IWI and I don't actually care about them either.
My entire agenda here was getting Lucas to amuse me and I succeeded greatly at that.
So confirmed troll then. Is reddit down or something?

If I'm a troll, then what are you? Incredibly dumb **** stupid? Especially since I pointed out the entire reasoning for my posting here like 5 replies ago? But you couldn't just let it go, could you? Had to argue instead with someone that has absolutely no interest in arguing with you?
And no, you won't find me on Reddit.

When you don't know the difference between there, their, and they're, you come across as being so uneducated that your viewpoint can be safely dismissed. The literate is unlikely to learn much from the illiterate.
Zet Soirn
Soirn Enterprises
#339 - 2016-04-17 14:03:11 UTC
Linus Gorp wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Linus Gorp wrote:
Well truth be told, I'm ill-informed about IWI and I don't actually care about them either.
My entire agenda here was getting Lucas to amuse me and I succeeded greatly at that.
So confirmed troll then. Is reddit down or something?

If I'm a troll, then what are you? Incredibly dumb **** stupid? Especially since I pointed out the entire reasoning for my posting here like 5 replies ago? But you couldn't just let it go, could you? Had to argue instead with someone that has absolutely no interest in arguing with you?
And no, you won't find me on Reddit.


He is a Bee Drone... don´t waste time on him.. he only lives to serve his honey bear Mitler.. Big smile
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#340 - 2016-04-17 14:11:17 UTC
Isn't trolling against the forum rules?

Whatever the case with IWI, goons could have done something. If they had even defended their space initially they would have killed the momentum buildup. Bad strategy has hurt the imperium most of all, the reasons the enemy have are not particularly important.

I understand why Lucas is concerned, making a gambling website IS a bigger step than most are able and presents an advantage of sorts. The website still needs to build a reputation etc so it's not just as easy as making the page, it takes work afterwards. Not only that but surely you could make a similar argument for the level of organisation in the imperium, most alliances don have time for such an amount of structure, is that an unfair advantage? Eve is inherently unfair and always has been so IWI is nothing new. What is fair anyway? Unfair situations only come up when your mental reality doesn't match physical reality. When you expect one thing and get another.

I think on balance I agree that gambling websites are bad, out-of-game websites that exist for in-game profit are unbalanced. IWI is basically a mini game eve players can do when bored and all they need to do is open up a browser, they can win eve things on it. And the service feeds isk to the guy running it. How do you fight that?

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