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Eve Trade for person to person is flawed

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Jack Rosca
Jack Rosca Corporation
#1 - 2016-04-17 09:02:18 UTC
I see 2 billion being offered for 2 plex, i count the zeros , i take my time, i did a test trade first for some minerals with the trader for 3 million, he pays that ok, then i put in a trade for 2 plex, i see 2 billion, i click accept, the other trader CAN CHANGE THE 2 BILLION to 2 MILLION and finish the trade. Such an advanced game and such a flawed person to person trade system. No warning message for the change, nothing. Bam loss of 2 billion. Thanks CCP. for having the best person to person trade window money can buy. Sucks. Ill never use your person to person trade system again, 35 dollars is a dinner for me, i bought 2 more and sold it in the market. Keep the cash.
Jack Rosca
Jack Rosca Corporation
#2 - 2016-04-17 09:06:22 UTC
Auran Glimmer scammed me just to help other people avoid trading with him.
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3 - 2016-04-17 09:09:23 UTC
Welcome to EVE. Enjoy your stay.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2016-04-17 09:10:33 UTC
You should have sold it in the market to begin with.

You were beaten by your own greed. Not the fault of the trade window. It's your fault.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Zet Soirn
Soirn Enterprises
#5 - 2016-04-17 09:18:46 UTC
Haha.
Jack Rosca
Jack Rosca Corporation
#6 - 2016-04-17 09:28:57 UTC
Well you can tell a relatively new returning player that its wrong for him to trust a trade tool that shows his eyes 2 billion and then pays his account 2 million. I could have sold it in the market, i learnt my lesson, but the trade tool is flawed for the standards the game sets, it shows u 2 billion and pays u 2 million WITHOUT WARNING, thats the crappiest system there can be. So yeah, not entirely my fault, too bad it happened but ill live with it. Just another part of the game thats not upto the standards i expected them to be.
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2016-04-17 09:33:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Jack Rosca wrote:
Well you can tell a relatively new returning player that its wrong for him to trust a trade tool that shows his eyes 2 billion and then pays his account 2 million. I could have sold it in the market, i learnt my lesson, but the trade tool is flawed for the standards the game sets, it shows u 2 billion and pays u 2 million WITHOUT WARNING, thats the crappiest system there can be. So yeah, not entirely my fault, too bad it happened but ill live with it. Just another part of the game thats not upto the standards i expected them to be.

Thats the scam.

You should have had him accept first.

Never use the trade window unless you absolutely trust the other person or it's a free trade.

You were greedy and got caught. Don't be greedy and you would have been fine. That's on you.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Jack Rosca
Jack Rosca Corporation
#8 - 2016-04-17 09:39:25 UTC
Are you trying to tell me its such an advanced game and there will be no Warning for a change in the trade terms? Sorry bad system, wont use it again (obviously). Hope CCP fixes it.
Dani Gallar
Doomheim
#9 - 2016-04-17 09:52:45 UTC
A central theme in EVE is to trust no one and that trust should be hard earned. I see no reason why player2player trade should be 'safer' then any other aspect of the game.

Also always adhere to the golden rule of EVE Online: If a deal looks to good to be true it most likely is a scam. It's the same as when someone puts up a trade on the market with a seemingly great sell price BUT where the item is sold from a station in 'non-high sec' space.
Dark Lord Trump
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2016-04-17 10:18:45 UTC
Jack Rosca wrote:
Are you trying to tell me its such an advanced game and there will be no Warning for a change in the trade terms? Sorry bad system, wont use it again (obviously). Hope CCP fixes it.

It's funny how you keep touting that such an "advanced" game (whatever that means) should apparently protect you from clever scammers. Had you just sold it via the market (where you probably could have gotten a better price), you would have been fine. Everything in a trade hub local is a scam until proven otherwise.

FYI, the warning is called the numbers change. If you're so worried, contract it to the guy for 1bil per plex instead, that's much harder to screw with.

I'm going to build a big wall that will keep the Gallente out, and they're going to pay for it!
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#11 - 2016-04-17 10:40:23 UTC
Hahaha, oh my Lord OP, like syphilis you really are the gift that keeps on giving



Welcome to EVE and may I have your SP and what remains of your stuff?

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#12 - 2016-04-17 10:58:33 UTC
Jack Rosca wrote:
I see 2 billion being offered for 2 plex, i count the zeros , i take my time, i did a test trade first for some minerals with the trader for 3 million, he pays that ok, then i put in a trade for 2 plex, i see 2 billion, i click accept, the other trader CAN CHANGE THE 2 BILLION to 2 MILLION and finish the trade. Such an advanced game and such a flawed person to person trade system. No warning message for the change, nothing. Bam loss of 2 billion. Thanks CCP. for having the best person to person trade window money can buy. Sucks. Ill never use your person to person trade system again, 35 dollars is a dinner for me, i bought 2 more and sold it in the market. Keep the cash.
As far as I know, if you hit accept when it said 2 billion and he then changed it to 2 million, you would then have to accept it again.

That said, never do anything through the trade window unless it's with an alt or a mate. Private contracts don't have fees beyond the 10k setup fee and can be verified a lot better before accepting, so there's really no reason not to use those if it's for a deal outside the open market. If it's in a trade hub though it's probably a scam.

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Jack Rosca
Jack Rosca Corporation
#13 - 2016-04-17 11:02:46 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Jack Rosca wrote:
I see 2 billion being offered for 2 plex, i count the zeros , i take my time, i did a test trade first for some minerals with the trader for 3 million, he pays that ok, then i put in a trade for 2 plex, i see 2 billion, i click accept, the other trader CAN CHANGE THE 2 BILLION to 2 MILLION and finish the trade. Such an advanced game and such a flawed person to person trade system. No warning message for the change, nothing. Bam loss of 2 billion. Thanks CCP. for having the best person to person trade window money can buy. Sucks. Ill never use your person to person trade system again, 35 dollars is a dinner for me, i bought 2 more and sold it in the market. Keep the cash.
As far as I know, if you hit accept when it said 2 billion and he then changed it to 2 million, you would then have to accept it again.

That said, never do anything through the trade window unless it's with an alt or a mate. Private contracts don't have fees beyond the 10k setup fee and can be verified a lot better before accepting, so there's really no reason not to use those if it's for a deal outside the open market. If it's in a trade hub though it's probably a scam.



I didnt have to accept it again he just changed it to 2 million and thats all i got.
Kehro Urgus
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
#14 - 2016-04-17 11:13:53 UTC
Bwahahaha.... old scams like that are still alive. Bahahaha! P

Yeeee! 
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#15 - 2016-04-17 11:20:18 UTC
Jack Rosca wrote:
I didnt have to accept it again he just changed it to 2 million and thats all i got.
I'm not entirely sure I believe that. Are you sure he didn't change it to 2m just as you were clicking the button?

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.
Kehro Urgus
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
#16 - 2016-04-17 11:23:42 UTC
Jack Rosca wrote:
Auran Glimmer scammed me just to help other people avoid trading with him.

No one in their right mind uses the direct trade for anything, especially plex. Shocked

Yeeee! 
Jack Rosca
Jack Rosca Corporation
#17 - 2016-04-17 12:02:55 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Jack Rosca wrote:
I didnt have to accept it again he just changed it to 2 million and thats all i got.
I'm not entirely sure I believe that. Are you sure he didn't change it to 2m just as you were clicking the button?


Your free to try it for 2 plex of $35 and see if it gives you a warning because it doesnt, that was the point of this thread that the trade system is flawed, theres no point ganging up on a new player and telling him how dumb he is while not accepting that maybe a part of the game mechanics of the game dont work properly, which they dont.
Kehro Urgus
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
#18 - 2016-04-17 12:23:49 UTC
Jack Rosca wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
Jack Rosca wrote:
I didnt have to accept it again he just changed it to 2 million and thats all i got.
I'm not entirely sure I believe that. Are you sure he didn't change it to 2m just as you were clicking the button?


Your free to try it for 2 plex of $35 and see if it gives you a warning because it doesnt, that was the point of this thread that the trade system is flawed, theres no point ganging up on a new player and telling him how dumb he is while not accepting that maybe a part of the game mechanics of the game dont work properly, which they dont.


It's a well known issue with direct trading. The purchaser can change his bid deleting several zeroes without you realizing it due to latency. No one is ganging up on you, we have all done some very stupid things. Never use that feature unless with trusted corp mates or friends.

Yeeee! 
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2016-04-17 12:23:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Jack Rosca wrote:
... that was the point of this thread that the trade system is flawed, theres no point ganging up on a new player and telling him how dumb he is while not accepting that maybe a part of the game mechanics of the game dont work properly, which they dont.

You still fail to see.

It's not the trade system that is flawed. It's your understanding of it that was (not anymore) flawed.

You were greedy and you assumed to know how the system works. You were scammed by someone who actually knows how it works.

That's on you. You trusted a total stranger and you used a system without first understanding how that system works.

Your butthurt over it, which is natural. However that doesn't change the fact that the flaw is all yours. Not the systems.

You claim to be a new returning player, yet you started this character in 2013 and you bought a mining permit last year (it expired 2 days ago by the way. Better renew).

Your character is old enough that you should know what's what.

Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
Halp Howspaceship
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2016-04-17 12:25:46 UTC
Jack Rosca wrote:

Your free to try it


I just did, between two alts. If the other person changes the ISK offer, your acceptance of the deal is automatically revoked, and you have to re-approve it.

I don't want to rub it in, but you did explicitly approve the deal, sorry Cry
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