EVE New Citizens Q&A

If someone is ganked in high sec what happens to their ship/wreck? Reason I ask is it seems to me having been a victim of a hi-sec gank this morning that while I can claim kill rights on the low life who actually killed me, I don't have any recourse to recover my gear. And reading around it seems that a hi-sec gank like this isn't some random person taking exception to me flying near them and then killing me, but done for profit.

So are there any consequences for being the looter in a gank squad?

And yes it's totally because having lost 700 million in goods I want to get some pay back... :D

Is it possible to see what action caused it? Or is it just a bad person flag?

Ralph was answering this question. You get a suspect flag for looting a wreck that doesn't belong to you (which it won't, if you were suicide ganked). There are other ways to get a suspect flag - shooting players in lowsec for instance. You can't tell how it was received unless you saw it happen.

The person who looted your wreck was undoubtedly the alt or friend of the guy who blew you up. So if you want revenge, start there.

Also, don't autopilot. EVER.

Bear in mind that you are only seeing the "front end" of ganking. There is a fair bit of intel gathering and logistics that go into the act.
Gankers have to build/buy the ships, guns, and modules... transport them... fit up the ships... find an area where there are potential targets... scout the targets to find the "squishiest" and/or most potentially profitable... have the necessary manpower at the right moment... get a good warp-in point... hope that the target doesn't have some unseen advantage that will skew the damage-to-time calculations (or worse, has caught wind of everything and is now escaping)... perform the act... hope the loot scooper is quicker than anyone else in the area in claiming the spoils of the deed... and getting everyone back to the staging point.

And yes... there are plenty of things that you can do to "stop" a ganker. Not all of them are in the "direct way" you are probably thinking of however. And none of them will guarantee your "safety" (any more than a ganker is guaranteed to blow you up).
It is all about "who has stacked the most odds in their favor."


Heh... look at it this way; do you feel bad when you take away someone's Rook, Bishop, or Queen in chess?

The game is predicated on conflict between players. Use every tool and mechanic at your disposal to gain an advantage over everyone else.
Often times, the best way to fight someone is to fully understand the tactics they are using and either use them yourself or counter the tactics.

OK perhaps a little clarification is needed here to prevent future problems.

Even though you owned the ship and everything in it the moment it blew up it became the property of the person who laid the final blow. The only people that can loot that wreck without gaining a criminal flag for stealing are the person that owns it, and anyone that is in the same corp of in the same fleet with them. Since you no longer own the wreck and what ever is in it if you try to scoop the loot as Shah Fluffers suggests then you will gain a criminal flag for stealing. If they do not mind the criminal flag then go for it a scoop and run.

Also please not I said "loot" the wreck, I make this distinction because the game differentiates between "looting" and "salvaging". Looting, the act of going up to a wreck and then opening it and removing what ever it contains. Salvaging is done with a salvage beam or salvage drones and it is perfectly legal to salvage any wreck anywhere in high sec.


While I agree that gankers are not fundamentally bad people because the do gank, giving them a GF "good fight" when there was no fight to begin with is simply ridiculous. Save the GF for occasions where there was actually a fight.

Actually a successful gank needs not a small effort, preparation, coordination and skill, scaling with the size of the target. Also being chill about it with a half true half ironic GF or GG pisses off those gankers doing it for tears only.

Some also just want the kill. Killboard padding is still a thing.

Fight

verb
1.
take part in a violent struggle involving the exchange of physical blows or the use of weapons.
"the men were fighting"
synonyms: brawl, exchange blows, attack each other, assault each other, hit each other, punch each other; More
noun
1.
a violent confrontation or struggle.
"we'll get into a fight and wind up with bloody noses"
synonyms: brawl, fracas, melee, rumpus, skirmish, sparring match, struggle, scuffle, altercation, clash, disturbance; More

As this definition clearly shows a "fight" is characterized by blows being exchanged by both (all) parties. In an average gank the blows are all delivered to the victim with the victim rarely returning blows, since there is not an "exchange" of blows there is not fight involved. And no I do not give a damn about what they do in any other game, and in this game this crap about congratulating someone for a fight that never happened is ridiculous and to be honest idiotic. On the other hand I agree with the basics of what you two are saying, if the gank was quick, efficient and those involved display a good attitude about the whole thing(meaning they are not douche bags out to ruin someones day) then I have and I will continue to give credit where it is due for a task quickly and efficiently handled. If that means I have a bad attitude then that is the way of it. To repeat I will not give anyone credit for a good fight when there was no fight to start with.


Thank you for the correction on the flag you are correct.
The last time I had a ship ganked, several months ago(not this character so don't bother to look), my thoughts were as Shah Fluffers stated to scoop and run with the webbing alt that was there. Even thought they were in a fleet and indeed even the same corp the wreck was yellow to both the pilot(of the former ship now a wreck) and the web alt. So you are telling me that this was a glitch in the game?
If so then I retract my statements above, however since you have responded to them here I will let them stand to avoid confusions that may occur if I removed them.

Bad analogy. I don't spend days creating a chess set, only to have my opponent refuse to return the pieces when he captures them, and sell them to someone else, leaving me with the task of making or buying another set before I can play again.

I do take your point though. The simple answer to this is "that's how the game is, like it or leave".

But is that the end of the discussion? I've only been playing for a month, so maybe I'm not entitled to an opinion, but what I keep hearing, and understand though don't totally agree with, is "this game was created to provide an arena for people to abandon all real world morality and do anything to each other that the architecture of the game allows, so suck it up". My feeling is that this approach clashes with the idea that the game is essentially controlled by the players. Surely that cuts both ways? What if a majority of players wanted a total security area where they can be carebears if they want to? Don't they have the same right to want that as the current majority (I guess it is) wants to have a free for all?

Now getting it is another matter. One of the things I like about the game is that the devs don't take sides on things like this. So the "carebears" would have to make it happen in some way. How would that be? Form a "real" police that enforced total security in high sec space? Would that work? It doesn't matter because my point is I think fairly simple. The carebears have a right to want what they want just as the rest of you want what you want, and neither one of you is "right" or "wrong" by any objective measure.

Oddly, in a month of play, I tried out many things in high sec space and the only time I've lost a ship is through total carelessness fighting NPCs. Go figure. :-)

Oh, when I read "give him a GF" I thought it might mean "give him a good f*cking", which seemed more appropriate than the real meaning. :-)

"Total security" doesnt exist in this game, and your wishing there to be is unreasonable because "essentially controlled by the players" is only within the bounds of the mechanics of the game itself. CCP designed the game so that you are never totally, completely safe.

In other words, the interactions are controlled by the players, but not the rules or the mechanics. Those are still controlled by CCP, and CCP has deemed it so that nowhere in New Eden is completely safe.

And yes, you can certainly form your own "police force", and that would raise the security level a bit, but only by a bit, because you will soon find out that its very very boring overlooking a bunch of AFK miners. No one is going to say that you cant, or that you are wrong, but i doubt you will be very succesful, because, again, no one likes to sit hours upon hours, on top of afk miners.