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Captn' Crunch
Hold Crop - Passive
#1 - 2016-04-15 22:44:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Captn' Crunch
Hi all,
I am looking at doing some low/null-sec ratting/exploration. I hear great things about the Tengu and Ishtar. My question is concerning using the Proteus as a drone boat.

When I look for this online, I hear that it is horrible... but I am not sure why after playing around in EFT. It is definitely more expensive than an Ishtar, and has worse drone DPS; however, it has better tank, EHP, and can change-out subsytems for travelling (especially in null). Based on some (not too blingy) Tengu builds this has more dps (in just the drones), is cheaper, weaker boosted tank (better resist and EHP)

Any feedback either as to why this is a stupid idea, and/or how to improve the fit would be appreciated. The idea is to use drones for most damage, and then use blasters + web if anything small gets close... Warriors to help clean-up frigates of course.

[Proteus, DroneBlaster]
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
'Pilfer' Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

50MN Microwarpdrive II
Stasis Webifier II
Cap Recharger II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II
Auto Targeting System I

Medium Anti-Explosive Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Proteus Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Proteus Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors

Garde II x4
Bouncer II x4
Warrior II x5



Stats (All LVL5)
Speed - 1479
Align-time 9sec

DBPs with Garde II drones
- Total 739.1 / 709 with EEM
- Drone 548.1 / 518.1 with EEM
- Turret 190.9 w/ Caldary Navy Antimatter

Cap: note - all stats are without the 'Auto Targeting System' running
- Everything running 1:47
- 39% stable with only armor-rep and drones

EHP - 32,546
Armor rep - 421 ehp/sec
Armor resists: EM 78.2 Thermal 80.9 Kinetic 90.5 Explosive 60.7 / 73.5 with EEM

NOTE - Replacements
1- One of the DDAs can be replaced with 'Energized Explosive Membrane II'... not sure which way to go.
- DPS Total 709 with EEM
- DPS Drone 518.1 with EEM

2- The Gardes or Bouncers can be replaced with 2 Geckos
- DPS Total 810 with Geckos
- DPS Drones 619.1 with Geckos


EDIT - fit format change
Paranoid Loyd
#2 - 2016-04-15 22:59:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Please post your fits in EFT format so they are easier for us to import and analyze.

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Captn' Crunch
Hold Crop - Passive
#3 - 2016-04-16 00:00:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Captn' Crunch
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Please post your fits in EFT format so they are easier for us to import and analyze.


Sorry; how do I do this? I do not post fits on eve forums often... I cannot actually remember the last time I did.

EDIT - never mind, think I changed it correctly. I can paste it into EFT now, and only issue is drones go to cargo hold
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2016-04-16 06:28:35 UTC
The problems with the drone Proteus are subtle. The fit you posted looks ok on paper but if you start to dig under the surface the problems really start to build up.

First thing: those blasters aren't doing much for you if you stay at range. Yes, they're for close-in work -- but then, use electrons for the improved tracking. Hell, if you're really just cleaning up stuff that gets in too close, switch to smalls or something. Neutrons are really only there for adding damage by getting up in something's face.

To that effect, Gardes without omnis (low or mid) kind of suck. I'm staring at 22.5+30 with 0.034 tracking with max skills. Experience tells me that their effective range is really only about 25-40km, a range that rats really don't seem to like to stay at. Which means you're humping them around as often as they're shooting.

So. You could switch to heavies. That would also justify your neutrons. The problem there is that now you're up close and personal with whatever you're killing, which means you can't just kite tank. So you need to drop down on DDAs to build in more tank. This can work. But all the usual caveats about blasters being kinda bad for PvE come into effect.

And now for the real problem with your theorycrafting: you're not switching subsystems. Or, at the very least, you're not fitting a covops cloak for travel. See, the covert sub doesn't have a drone bay. Ergo, you have to haul drones in your cargohold. Which isn't being enough for your drones and subsytems, let alone a mobile depot. Which means your biggest advantage of using a T3 is now gone and you might as well just use an Ishtar.

I've really tried to make this work (on paper; I haven't ever flown a drone Proteus on tq). I just don't see a way around that last tradeoff.
Captn' Crunch
Hold Crop - Passive
#5 - 2016-04-16 07:53:00 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
The problems with the drone Proteus are subtle. The fit you posted looks ok on paper but if you start to dig under the surface the problems really start to build up.

First thing: those blasters aren't doing much for you if you stay at range. Yes, they're for close-in work -- but then, use electrons for the improved tracking. Hell, if you're really just cleaning up stuff that gets in too close, switch to smalls or something. Neutrons are really only there for adding damage by getting up in something's face.

To that effect, Gardes without omnis (low or mid) kind of suck. I'm staring at 22.5+30 with 0.034 tracking with max skills. Experience tells me that their effective range is really only about 25-40km, a range that rats really don't seem to like to stay at. Which means you're humping them around as often as they're shooting.

So. You could switch to heavies. That would also justify your neutrons. The problem there is that now you're up close and personal with whatever you're killing, which means you can't just kite tank. So you need to drop down on DDAs to build in more tank. This can work. But all the usual caveats about blasters being kinda bad for PvE come into effect.

And now for the real problem with your theorycrafting: you're not switching subsystems. Or, at the very least, you're not fitting a covops cloak for travel. See, the covert sub doesn't have a drone bay. Ergo, you have to haul drones in your cargohold. Which isn't being enough for your drones and subsytems, let alone a mobile depot. Which means your biggest advantage of using a T3 is now gone and you might as well just use an Ishtar.

I've really tried to make this work (on paper; I haven't ever flown a drone Proteus on tq). I just don't see a way around that last tradeoff.


Awesome, thank you. That is what I was looking for. I always saw it as not working, but couldn't figure out how.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#6 - 2016-04-16 19:54:04 UTC
I have a Proteus fit I use in null, with drones, but it is not a 'Drone' Proteus' per say. It can carry 20 smalls, and has worked decent for me over the years. Right around 500 DPS fit with rails, kinda blingy, but it works. I don't carry a depot, just fit it and go.

Tengu is better, there's no doubt, but I think the Proteus is second best for null PvE, of the T3's.