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Damn. Okay.

Thinking of getting one for refining and construction.

You do realise account sharing is a bannable offence?

https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203269561-Account-Sharing

Or do you mean you leave it in a hangar for anyone to take, it's not something I have ever done so it's not clear.

If the bottom question is possible then I apologise for the account sharing.

We have 2 boosting toonin corp, so we share the same orca, i boost in Eu TZ he boost in AU TZ. but we use the same orca. I dont see a point to have 2 orcas.

Also i share my orca, i dont want to share my isk and get stolen. I trust him 750m not my whole assests. And i didn't know about that account sharing. Thanks for the info

Those are just the components necessary to build the "hull". You will still need to fit the applicable service module to your citadel once anchored.

Factory services will not be seeded in this first wave.

According to me spreadsheet, just the P4 PI needed to make a M citadel would be 926M. But that doesn't include making them into components. My sheet calculates the total based on component sell and buy prices, but unfortunately structure components is such a new market the prices are no where near realistic or usable.

For example, the price to build a M citadel based on component buy price is 887M. Which is just wrong because it is less than P4 cost. And to build based on buy price you are looking at 2.1B. And that is because what few components there are on the market are marked up quite a bit currently.

Cheers

I was thinking the same thing. The Medium Citadel BPO is 6bil. Then you'll have to wait until the buyer makes blueprint copies or goes further and builds citadels - and transports them to market hubs for sale.

The build cost for a M Citadel (assuming no ME research to get out units quickly) looks pretty steep, since the build requires quite a number of advanced planetary components (breaking down the parts) of which prices have risen markedly and will probably rise even more.

Looking JUST as the Structure Parts to build the Astrahus, the Structure Market Network alone is going at 318m at Jita, and you need 4x of them i.e. 1.272b. Adding in all the other Parts at Jita prices (assuming you don't build the Parts yourself) - you get ~965m ... or a total build cost of ~ 2.237bil just for the M Citadel !! And that's just "at cost". For sale expect a good mark up by the seller for the preliminary market.

Maybe my numbers are wrong? So the CCP estimated 700m figure seems way way off at current prices. Note: even researching the BPO would only reduce the Structure Market Network reqs from 4x to maybe 2x - which would shave off 600m. But researching the ME would cost probably quite a bit (I'm too lazy too look it up right now).

Note also: the price differences between T1 to T2 structure rigs is enormous. For 2% more efficiency you almost have to spend a ~1/2 bil more for a M T2 Rig.

So ... I'll be surprised if you'll be seeing many builds on the market any time soon. Maybe some BPCs available. I haven't even looked at the L or XL. Heh.

CCP was actually right, if you take into account the then current prices of those materials on the day the BOMs of all three citadels were announced. Personally, I have been able to acquire an asthraus worth of materials for around 550mil but I had to do the heavy lifting of converting P2 stuff to P4.

The current sell prices of those structure parts is almost 200% of build cost.

Yeah, 700mil+ is still too high for a decent enough adoption rate, when few actually need it, and that is just for the hull.
Obviously, releasing full manufacturing capabilities on launch would have helped spur growth and quickly stabilized prices but it didn't happen and maybe a small citadel will soon be released? Who knows...

I know this personally.

6 Astrahaus Structure Kits were sold @ 60 mil ea. ( all sold within hours ).
3 Fortizar Structure Kits were sold @ 621.82 mil ea. ( sold within hours ).

When I asked the character why, she stated that they had a glut of Structure BPC's and used that to prevent a sharp market spike ( questionable as to whether that actually helped ). She also stated that she intended to continue doing this for the foreseeable future with the goal of:

" getting them out there for players to build"
" to prevent market profiteering"

I asked about BPO cost recovery. She stated that the BPO cost had already been recouped from previous sales, so everything now is just profit minus copy cost. She also stated that the low cost was to balance build cost versus the spike and PI bottleneck that was predicted months ago. When asked about hull BPC's her response was "in the oven as we speak" and that cost would be below predictions or possibly price matched.

thought I would share.

Max

Ended up paying 450mil for an astrahus kit but whatever.