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Is SP Farming A New Thing?
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#21 - 2016-04-14 18:17:41 UTC
I've been SP farming since I discovered the Character Bazaar eight years ago.

So, no, not a new thing.

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Erik Oppenheimer
The Honourable Heimatar Company
#22 - 2016-04-14 18:21:11 UTC
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:


They're toying with the idea of giving you 10,000 unallocated SP per day just to log in and kill something.


Thank you for the explanation. That would be a neat feature.
Bianca Niam
Doomheim
#23 - 2016-04-14 18:59:05 UTC
During the o7 show, I heard "skill point farming" mentioned. The fact that they call it that is a confirmation in my book.
Sad state of affairs.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#24 - 2016-04-14 19:11:24 UTC
Hawke Frost wrote:
For most people this is "a lot of math" and most people don't have accounts that really don't need training anymore so early adopters with initiative are still doing fine. That is why people rallied for this and that is why this is NOT in the interest of newbies, as if anything ever is.



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Moac Tor
Cyber Core
Immediate Destruction
#25 - 2016-04-15 00:58:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Moac Tor
March rabbit wrote:
Hawke Frost wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
Tavari Minrathos wrote:
Because extractors and PLEX are both bought with RL currency they have a direct correlation in price.

Because you can only make 3 injectors a month with optimal training, selling 3 injectors needs to have profit over the cost of 3 extractors+PLEX.

At current Jita Value of ~645m per injector, ~1b per plex, ~240m per extractor, being a SP farm makes ~245m per month over expenses.

If you have a character that you do not need to train anymore and they already do something in hisec ( and maybe low sec) then yes SP farming is currently profitable. I say hisec because you need at least +4s to get 3 extractors worth of SP a month. (i think, math could be a bit off)



YEah, I have a JF alt account that I'm planning on doing this with. I don't have to pay to maintain the sub, AND I make a little something on the side. Not bad.


The second more people start to catch up on that the more competition you'll get which will affect the price and thus profitability. Still, it's worth it for accounts that don't need training anymore. I doubt CCP envisioned this, they're not very good at predicting the outcome of their choices.

You know what is funny?

Players KNEW months before skill injectors came. Many of them already prepared SP farms. Looking at sell orders for skill injectors some farms are pretty huge.

When i was reading about it months ago i was pretty sure this would be gamed right from the start....

And still farming of SP is pretty profitable.

It was suggested in the injector threadnought that SP farms would create an avenue for players to passively make ISK and thus pay for their account. What I think has been a surprise is quite how much demand there has been for injectors. I didn't realise the extent of players that would be so desperate for SP that they'd pay more than double the subscription fee to receive instant SP.

There is a lag in supply of around 2 1/2 months for SP farms to start to yield SP, and then another month or so before they break even. As a result I expect a lot of injectors will hit the market in the next month or so as people catch on, and then price should theoretically drop to more normal levels. This period is equivalent to a gold rush particularly with the war fuelling demand and dropping PLEX prices.
Herr Eismann
Extratone
#26 - 2016-04-15 09:06:14 UTC
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Tristan Agion
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2016-04-15 12:03:25 UTC
Erik Oppenheimer wrote:
Tristan Agion wrote:
With +5 implants you can extract about 4 injectors per month even without the daily NPC kill. The NPC kills give you a bit more than half (namely 3/5th) of an extra skill injector optimally. ...
Please forgive my ignorance - what is "NPC kill" and its relation to farming skillpoints? How do NPC kills give skillpoints?

NPC="Non-Player Character", though I guess here it would be more a "Non-Player Ship" I'm talking about. Basically NPC here means any (hostile) ship controlled by the game (rather than another person) in space, which you can shoot and kill. CCP is planning to introduce a "daily opportunity", where you can gain 10,000 skill points once every 22 hours if you kill a single NPC entity.

This is being tried out live on the test server at the moment, and likely will come to the main game with the Citadel update end of this month. If it is introduced, then usual skill farming that relies on purely passive SP gain (simply letting time tick) can be upgraded with active SP generation (namely shooting a NPC regularly). Whether SP farmers actually will do that I do not know. It's a question of effort vs. gain, as well as risk vs. reward. My guess is that those who have large farms won't, mostly because it's too much regular effort. Also your SP cow will have +5 implants, and so you would have to babysit this (you don't want some other player killing your SP cow while you hunt for a NPC). Someone who has just one to two SP cows might consider it worthwhile though...
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2016-04-15 13:47:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Geronimo McVain
I don't think that SP farming will be a great thing over a longer time. And I'm sure CCP did the math.

1. game time bought with Plex is more expensive then with a subscription. Plex is at 20€ while subscription is at 12€/month. And someone has to buy the Plex.
2. Extractors are also bought with RL money and 10 extractors are at 45€ that's 4,5€ per extractor.

At the moment you have to sell ~3 extractors to buy a PLEX so this Plex gets CCP 20€ + 3x4,5€ = 33,5€ per month gametime compared to 12€ for a subscription. I'm really sure that some accountant at CCP made this calculation too.

If many people want to finance their gametime with SP the demand for Plex will raise and because it is limited through RL money the prices will raise to which will make SP farming for Plex a zero-sum-game at best. Raised prices for Plex will make it more attractive to buy it because you get more ISK for the buck.

In the end Plex and SP farming is good for CCP.
Take a look how long you have to work ingame to earn a Plex and how long you have to work RL to pay the subscription. You can make aroung 100M ISK, if you are good, per hour so around 10+hours and if you even need 5 RL hours work to pay for the subscription you need a new job.

MY free time is at premium so I'm certainly not buying gametime with plex. But I like the idea of SP farms because that will lower the price for injectors and THAT's something I like to send my Isk for.
PAPULA
The Chodak
Void Alliance
#29 - 2016-04-15 16:24:03 UTC
There will be no farming.
If you kill any NPC .. that means missions gates incursions .. you get SP's rewarded.

So even if you do a null sec roam and your fleet kills gate NPC's you get your SP reward.
You don't need to farm anything
Siigari Kitawa
New Eden Archery Club
#30 - 2016-04-16 06:43:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Siigari Kitawa
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Neurotox
Malakim Zealots
Angel Cartel
#31 - 2016-04-16 09:03:41 UTC
245 million a month from m sp farming? I thought it be more than that. Seriously, that's not a lot at all.
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2016-04-16 09:21:15 UTC
Neurotox wrote:
245 million a month from m sp farming? I thought it be more than that. Seriously, that's not a lot at all.
plus your plex so the account is for free. So in the end something around 1.5B Isk. And if you add some PI for 3 alts.....
Tavari Minrathos
PC Load Letter
#33 - 2016-04-16 15:29:37 UTC
Neurotox wrote:
245 million a month from m sp farming? I thought it be more than that. Seriously, that's not a lot at all.


Its entirely passive income. A trading alt with an active skill queue gets a bonus passive 245. If as someone posted you can create a 4th injector a month is 600+ a month just passive after PLEX costs.
Gracie Lemmont
My Corp My Rules
#34 - 2016-04-16 16:59:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Gracie Lemmont
Tavari Minrathos wrote:
Neurotox wrote:
245 million a month from m sp farming? I thought it be more than that. Seriously, that's not a lot at all.


Its entirely passive income. A trading alt with an active skill queue gets a bonus passive 245. If as someone posted you can create a 4th injector a month is 600+ a month just passive after PLEX costs.


Yes currently its 557m ISK per month per character you have. Pure Profit. You can then just add characters to that to multiply your isk per month Shocked

Edit: I believe 4 injectors takes 30 days and 20 hours. I have yet to loose profit off it anyway since you only need 3 to plex so win win.
Nai Arto
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2016-04-19 03:54:13 UTC
So you just remap max attributes for whatever skill you're training, plug in +4s then log in 29 days later eh?
Gracie Lemmont
My Corp My Rules
#36 - 2016-04-20 17:23:31 UTC
Nai Arto wrote:
So you just remap max attributes for whatever skill you're training, plug in +4s then log in 29 days later eh?


+5's. And with the new 10k sp thing they are adding, you can farm 4 injectors under 30 days.
Geronimo McVain
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2016-04-20 18:55:19 UTC
and if you are buying the extractors yourself you pay more per month then with a subscription
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