EVE General Discussion

No they haven't. As we found out before, CCP saying nothing is not the same as then being found to be fine.

OK, so explain to my why you think that IWI is not facilitating the acquisition of currency at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary game play.

No it doesn't, otherwise bot mining would probably not be against the rules and market bots most certainly wouldn't. Additionally no tool or bot can generate isk faster than the system will allow. Ratting bot's don't magically generate more isk than a manual ratter playing for the same amount of time.

That doesn't accelerate gameplay, they allow you to do out of game things out of game, and have all been vetted by CCP. Seriously, your desperation is pretty bad when you're going to "well if making trillions of isk from an application isn't OK, then clearly voice comms is just as bad!".

It's got nothing to do with my mind, it's CCPs mind. They've explicitly stated that as you can imagine voice comms are fine. The applications they have a problem with are ones that allow you to make in-game gains in an accelerated way compared to ordinary gameplay.

No... that is gameplay.

Again, not by CCPs definition.

As far as I've seen I've not seen a word about it either way, and them not saying anything isn't them vetting it and it being fine. In addition any application they vet they have the right to change their mind on. Even if they said IWI is fine I would still protest against it. If you want you can feel free to protest against teamspeak if you want, that's your right. If you do, I won't even sit around hurling insults at you like you are at me.

you mean that guy who's really upset now that his grr goon agitprop has been swallowed up by louder grr goons

Which is all well and good for the point about the war. I imagine either way at some point this would have happened (though nto really to do with Gevlon or MoA as they are laughably terrible, but I imagine TEST and PL would have done this anyway at some point). That however doesn't change the simple fact that outside of this war there is a player with a third party application giving him an advantage with no counter. Doesn't matter what alliance it is, if he picks a target there's no way they can do anything all the time their income can be countered and his can't.

So an out of game counter then. Just FYI, since you can't seem to post without grumbling about goons or insulting people I'm going to simply stop reading the moment you start going all spazzy. Saves me reading irrelevant drivel.

That is some amazing revisionist history. We did not outnumber BoB and pets. And no, we didn't conquor it all with rifters. Where are you even getting this? Where does The Mittani take credit for Delve getting Haargothed? Whenever he tells the story, he says exactly what happened. Not like he did it.

This can be a real discussion if you will please stop making stuff up.




So I guess all that ISK IWI is giving the MBC is just for, what, party hats?

So you keep flapping around and claiming that the benefits of jabber, a system that allows communication / organisation of 40k people is "equal" to ingame chat and "offers no benefit". That if it aids ISK making and coalition building (and OH BOY does it) that it only does so as well as ingame chat. (jesus ...)

Ok

Ok so that is monumentally stupid but LETS JUST PRETEND IT IS TRUE OK??

So you must ergo assume that if you make a chat channel, and call it "Lukas wants ISK" and use it to organise a betting pool. A betting pool where the house makes a steady profit. That you have therefore completely recreated IWI ingame and ERGO in your silly little "NO APPLES EQUAL ORANGES WHEN I SAY SO" IWI doesn't have any benefits to simply just doing the same in game, it just makes it easier (like jabber, teamspeak, fitting tools, market analysis ....)

Can you now do your silly little dance and conveniently define your 'third party' problem around this concept.

You're still sticking with the story that voice comms don't accelerate gameplay?

Go on a roam and only use in game chat. Let me know how it goes. Let me know if you're as effective, and as efficient in gameplay.

The mental gymnastics you are going through to justify what you say is nothing short of impressive. It's gameplay to use the 3rd party apps that you like, but it's cheating to use the 3rd party apps that you don't. I'm not insulting you, I just pointed out the logical flaws in what you said. You've yet to justify the hypocrisy in your views.

IWI's income can be countered. Start a competing service and take away his clients. What's stopping you?

Gank their ratting ship.

Market bots don't make isk out of thin air. I have nor problem with people hating bees.

Well I'm not a goon. That said I don't remember the MO of goons being cheating

Check post history, I've always been against these sites. I've known for a long time that these sites cause issues and open wide gaps for RMT, all this war has done is open my eyes to how bad the imbalance is already. You keep flipping this over to goons, but if IWI picked any alliance they'd stand no chance. Being in a game knowing full well that someone with out of game tools can just roflstomp you whenever they feel like and there's absolutely nothing you can do about it is pretty lame.

What coalition?

So it's pretty dire that you have to use zKillboard, you have to use slack/etc to ping corpmates, you have to use out of game comms (go on a roam with only in game comms and tell me how it went compared to TS3).

You're a station trader, right? Go the next month without using a single out of game spreadsheet or market tool and let me know how effective you are at making ISK. If you can't use anything outside of the game that helps you earn ISK, I assume you don't have a single google doc/excel file with prices/trading strategies in it, right?