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Titans need 2 changes

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Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-01-12 23:39:53 UTC
Titans have a lack of risk for the reward in using them. There 2 basic issues.

1) Opening a jump bridge from inside a POS. This is clearly broken. If a Carrier can not assign fighters inside a POS why can a titan jump an entire fleet from inside the safety of a POS? While the increased risk is minimal having to operate outside a POS it still would provide some sort of risk instead of giving bridging fleets a free ride.

2) When a Titan opens a bridge, after a set time the Titan should have to go though to the target destination. Same would happen if the ship providing a Cyno was destroyed.

Why is this important. A Titan is a strategic asset. They are used today as tactical assets. Have a few ships flying around within your bridging range fit with a cyno. When someone attacks pop cyno and have fleet come in and clean house. Go back and repeat. While your fleet may have X number in it the only ship risked is one bait ship. All reward, no risk and an extreme lack of participation for the pilots in the bridged fleet. More so since they are sitting safe in a POS shield till someone tells them to wake up for a jump.

Using a titan bridge as a substitute for a roving gang results in less PvP overall. Once I see a corp/alliance use a bridge they are put on the "do not engage" list. No more fighting vs them unless you know their titan pilot(s) is off line.


Operating a roaming gang from inside a POS shield is bad game play. Titans should be used strategically, not tactically. If someone wishes to drop the actual titan on a ratter, they are welcome to take that risk. These changes would help fix the risk/reward balance that is currently out of wack with Titans.
muhuh Aihaken
MBlue alt
#2 - 2012-01-13 00:09:27 UTC
#2 Would make Titans useless in 95% of all cases. Titans are an investment to help move fleets around and in most cases you wouldn't bring them into the other side.. unless you are PL so this just means more people flying around being bored.

#1 If the gang is inside the shields they are probably giving out the POS password to there friends. Use spies to get password and bump it out of shields and then kill it. If they are sitting on the edge of the shield bomber wings are your friend.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#3 - 2012-01-13 00:15:47 UTC
I don't know so much about titans

but what you describe is the same for blops, would you want that changed also or just the titans?
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#4 - 2012-01-13 00:20:12 UTC
Clearly you have much experience with titans in your noob corp. That must be why your idea is so well thought out and is likely to be implemented immediately.
Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-01-13 00:56:00 UTC
muhuh Aihaken wrote:
#2 Would make Titans useless in 95% of all cases. Titans are an investment to help move fleets around and in most cases you wouldn't bring them into the other side..


Exactly my point.

You could still use a Titan to move fleets around, the difference is that you would only use a bridge to move a fleet into direct combat if you felt it was worth the risk of having the Titan there. Having a freebie "move your fleet" at no risk to you goes against Eve's core game design.

"Fly what you can afford to lose". Except you don't fly the titan anywhere and you don't lose it to anything. Looks broken to me.




Morganta wrote:
I don't know so much about titans

but what you describe is the same for blops, would you want that changed also or just the titans?


As to going though the portal, I could go ether way. Blops are a bit different since there are additional limits to the types of ships that can use the bridge. If a blops can bridge from inside a POS then yes, that should change.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2012-01-13 01:05:18 UTC
what kind of moron looks at titan proliferation and thinks "what needs a nerf here is the jpg"

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2012-01-13 01:07:47 UTC
basically this is the dumbest post ever and you should be ashamed you posted it

the two changes that need to be made to titans:

1)remove doomsday
2)remove guns

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.

Morganta
The Greater Goon
#8 - 2012-01-13 01:08:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Morganta
Ashina Sito wrote:
If a blops can bridge from inside a POS then yes, that should change.


Hang on....

you have an opinion on how to nerf the living **** out of titan JBs and you don't know blops can bridge from inside a POS?

ccp should just shut down the forums....
muhuh Aihaken
MBlue alt
#9 - 2012-01-13 01:12:29 UTC
Ashina Sito wrote:
muhuh Aihaken wrote:
#2 Would make Titans useless in 95% of all cases. Titans are an investment to help move fleets around and in most cases you wouldn't bring them into the other side..


You could still use a Titan to move fleets around, the difference is that you would only use a bridge to move a fleet into direct combat if you felt it was worth the risk of having the Titan there. Having a freebie "move your fleet" at no risk to you goes against Eve's core game design.


You risk the cyno ship, the titan risks being bumped out of the pos, isotopes cost money, stront costs money, and titans cost money to.

If you do that to bridging you basically screw the small guys and only alliances with titan blobs will use them so they don't risk losing them.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#10 - 2012-01-13 01:40:04 UTC
Ashina Sito wrote:
Titans have a lack of risk for the reward in using them. There 2 basic issues.

1) Opening a jump bridge from inside a POS. This is clearly broken. If a Carrier can not assign fighters inside a POS why can a titan jump an entire fleet from inside the safety of a POS? While the increased risk is minimal having to operate outside a POS it still would provide some sort of risk instead of giving bridging fleets a free ride.


Used to be that you couldn't portal from inside a POS. So they'd nose out, light portal, head back in. Without the PW, you'd have a hard time bumping it out, though you could dribble it to keep it inside the POS.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2012-01-13 01:47:47 UTC
Ashina Sito wrote:
Titans have a lack of risk for the reward in using them. There 2 basic issues.

1) Opening a jump bridge from inside a POS. This is clearly broken. If a Carrier can not assign fighters inside a POS why can a titan jump an entire fleet from inside the safety of a POS? While the increased risk is minimal having to operate outside a POS it still would provide some sort of risk instead of giving bridging fleets a free ride.

2) When a Titan opens a bridge, after a set time the Titan should have to go though to the target destination. Same would happen if the ship providing a Cyno was destroyed.

Why is this important. A Titan is a strategic asset. They are used today as tactical assets. Have a few ships flying around within your bridging range fit with a cyno. When someone attacks pop cyno and have fleet come in and clean house. Go back and repeat. While your fleet may have X number in it the only ship risked is one bait ship. All reward, no risk and an extreme lack of participation for the pilots in the bridged fleet. More so since they are sitting safe in a POS shield till someone tells them to wake up for a jump.

Using a titan bridge as a substitute for a roving gang results in less PvP overall. Once I see a corp/alliance use a bridge they are put on the "do not engage" list. No more fighting vs them unless you know their titan pilot(s) is off line.


Operating a roaming gang from inside a POS shield is bad game play. Titans should be used strategically, not tactically. If someone wishes to drop the actual titan on a ratter, they are welcome to take that risk. These changes would help fix the risk/reward balance that is currently out of wack with Titans.


So, let me guess, you're not ok with Jump Freighters or Carriers jumping from inside POS too right?

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Vyl Vit
#12 - 2012-01-13 01:48:12 UTC
Their diapers and their bottles?

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-01-13 02:00:41 UTC
Can you tell me how much experience you have with titans in the illustrious ~Center of Advanced Studies~ corporation?

No, I'm not dumb, I know you're a typical alt-posting sperglord, but your ideas are dumb!

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#14 - 2012-01-13 03:12:28 UTC
Andski wrote:
Can you tell me how much experience you have with titans in the illustrious ~Center of Advanced Studies~ corporation?

No, I'm not dumb, I know you're a typical alt-posting sperglord, but your ideas are dumb!


But if I don't post with my alt, ebil people will wardec me and my CEO will boot me. My internet!

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Killstealing
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-01-13 03:27:32 UTC
you spend years perfecting your skills

you spend 80b on a giant space **** called an avatar

and after all that effort you can only use that ship to shave some jumps off of a roam
Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-01-13 06:53:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashina Sito
Morganta wrote:
Ashina Sito wrote:
If a blops can bridge from inside a POS then yes, that should change.


Hang on....

you have an opinion on how to nerf the living **** out of titan JBs and you don't know blops can bridge from inside a POS?

ccp should just shut down the forums....


I was not sure about blops inside a POS. For some reason I am never online when the people I fly with have used them. Gave the safe answer. Plus, things change.

Grath Telkin wrote:


So, let me guess, you're not ok with Jump Freighters or Carriers jumping from inside POS too right?


Purdy much. JF's are a no risk ship if you know what your doing. I have been using a carrier for logistics for about 3 years and have never lost it while doing so.
Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-01-13 06:55:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashina Sito
triple post
Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-01-13 07:38:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Ashina Sito
triple post
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-01-13 07:51:23 UTC
muhuh Aihaken wrote:

You risk the cyno ship,

Ugh

muhuh Aihaken wrote:

the titan risks being bumped out of the pos

UghUgh

muhuh Aihaken wrote:

isotopes cost money

UghUghUgh

muhuh Aihaken wrote:

stront costs money

UghUghUghUgh

muhuh Aihaken wrote:
and titans cost money to.

UghUghUghUghUgh


In conclusion, Straight.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#20 - 2012-01-13 08:35:48 UTC
Ashina Sito wrote:

Purdy much. JF's are a no risk ship if you know what your doing. I have been using a carrier for logistics for about 3 years and have never lost it while doing so.


Cloaked Mach sitting off station. (The 20s timer makes it less dangerous, but it can easily wreck your day)

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

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