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Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#161 - 2016-04-13 12:41:15 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:

Have goons lost any of Deklein yet?



Whelp

Big smile



They meant to do that, though. It's all part of the scheme. Since all of us in the MBC have such short attention spans, no one will keep that sov and Goons will come right back and take it. With a hellwar.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#162 - 2016-04-13 12:42:25 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Aaron Honk wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:
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The forum is so much better and yet thousand of people prefer reddit, and not only MBC fans, /r/eve was popular years before all of this happened.

I'd say it's the other way around. Reddit is way better than the forum.

  1. Moderation is lighter. Here if you sneeze, your post is moderated
  2. Killmails and chat logs can be posted without worrying about breaking rules
  3. Images show up in threads (dependent on integration with Reddit). Videos the same. So no need to click out externally a lot of the time
  4. Devs being social just like the rest of us, post outside their work hours, so often answers are posted there quicker then they are here, where we really can't expect devs to be on the forum 24/7. But they might be on Reddit, twitter, slack more outside work than they are during business hours
  5. No one takes things too seriously. Everything is a shitpost and everyone knows it. For all the hate on r/eve for Goons, as soon as there are B4R post, the community comes together to help out, no matter who it is
  6. Lots of people who aren't subscribed, who've never played Eve, etc. use social media as so can freely post there, but are totally locked out from posting on the forums
  7. The forums are **** to post to on mobile devices (and even reading is sometimes a PITA on the forums using a mobile device). Native apps for Reddit are great. Simple and easy to use.
  8. Posts don't get eaten just as you hit post, on Reddit. These forums with the timed saves to drafts sometimes do stupid things that make the experience buggy


For all the hate towards social media that some people have, there's lots of good things about other platforms too.


All of this is true, I've come to see why people use reddit rather than deal with this forum. I actually used a *gasp* curse word *gasp* on reddit this week and didn't get ISDKODOKKENED for it lol. Because there is no ISD there.
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#163 - 2016-04-13 12:51:26 UTC
Well holy ****** that ********* is totally ************ ! I'd pop a ************ ****** if only ******'d ***************, alas...

On a more serious note - when FCon and SMA are still blue to the bloc, how exactly does that change anything? For example, Razor and Lawl might or might not "officially" leave the imperium, but would that matter on the field? Staging from Outer Ring, Syndicate or The Forge under a blue umbrella isn't leaving at all now, is it?

(disclaimer: this poster does not care how you call it -- over 6 regions blue to each other can't be a good thing for the game)
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#164 - 2016-04-13 13:28:01 UTC
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
over 6 regions blue to each other can't be a good thing for the game)


As opposed to be MBCs 58 regions? :happysun:

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Il Reverendo
Forty Two
#165 - 2016-04-13 13:53:38 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
over 6 regions blue to each other can't be a good thing for the game)


As opposed to be MBCs 58 regions? :happysun:


Don't worry they won't be blue to each other for much longer; the war's pretty much been over for a while [giving up, running away and farting about in a few inties doesn't count as winning btw bee guys], it's just in the clean-up and admin phase now. Once all that's taken care of it'll be business and pew pew as usual.....well unless martini decides to try and lift his face out of a plate of sea food, raise his goatee over the prow of his luxury dinghy and have everyone run a train on him all over again of course.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#166 - 2016-04-13 14:17:57 UTC
Il Reverendo wrote:
Don't worry they won't be blue to each other for much longer...

I'm pretty sure they aren't blue right now.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#167 - 2016-04-13 15:48:47 UTC
Il Reverendo wrote:
Don't worry they won't be blue to each other for much longer; the war's pretty much been over for a while [giving up, running away and farting about in a few inties doesn't count as winning btw bee guys], it's just in the clean-up and admin phase now. Once all that's taken care of it'll be business and pew pew as usual.....well unless martini decides to try and lift his face out of a plate of sea food, raise his goatee over the prow of his luxury dinghy and have everyone run a train on him all over again of course.
You say that, but even if they steamroll through the rest of the sov, all they've done is relocated the Imperium. You see, MBC benefits from not having to be on the defending side of terrible sov mechanics, but once goons aren't either they lose that benefit. At that point it's just two group staging from invulnerable stations fighting each other, and I seriously doubt MBC have the longevity to keep it up as long as it takes. At the end of the day you can set the goalposts whereever you want to claim you're winning too fast, but that doesn't change the reality that the Imperium exists even without sov (and without SMA Cry).

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Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#168 - 2016-04-13 15:58:14 UTC
Il Reverendo wrote:
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Brokk Witgenstein wrote:
over 6 regions blue to each other can't be a good thing for the game)


As opposed to be MBCs 58 regions? :happysun:


Don't worry they won't be blue to each other for much longer; the war's pretty much been over for a while [giving up, running away and farting about in a few inties doesn't count as winning btw bee guys], it's just in the clean-up and admin phase now. Once all that's taken care of it'll be business and pew pew as usual.....well unless martini decides to try and lift his face out of a plate of sea food, raise his goatee over the prow of his luxury dinghy and have everyone run a train on him all over again of course.


Alt posting.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Il Reverendo
Forty Two
#169 - 2016-04-13 16:13:06 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
You say that, but even if they steamroll through the rest of the sov, all they've done is relocated the Imperium. You see, MBC benefits from not having to be on the defending side of terrible sov mechanics, but once goons aren't either they lose that benefit. At that point it's just two group staging from invulnerable stations fighting each other, and I seriously doubt MBC have the longevity to keep it up as long as it takes. At the end of the day you can set the goalposts whereever you want to claim you're winning too fast, but that doesn't change the reality that the Imperium exists even without sov (and without SMA Cry).


It's actually far easier to defend in fozzie sov.....yes in a coalition you have the disadvantage of only the relevant alliance being able to entosis but that only accounts for a few players on a few nodes....if you use said colossal coalition to provide cover (and it shouldn't be hard to put together a vaguely respectable covering fleet at any time) then the advantage still lies firmly with the defender. Also if you don't evac the space, have allies that aren't just sitting waiting for you to fail so they can absorb you and keep the adms up it's even more skewed in the defenders favour.

The bee guys haven't been doing much of anything except making people laugh in inties for a while now while they bleed alliances, corporations and players at a rate of knots....from their nice invulnerable low sec station which they can barely undock from unless they keep a fleet tied up camping it and achieving nothing. Yes after a while when all main goals are met and there aren't any bees of significance to fight we'll see mbc members go back to doing hat they enjoy, namely having few blues and lots of pew. But if you think the imperium is just going to be able hibernate then be able to come back as a force to still be reckoned with (especially numerically), re-take their space and resume business as usual (not to mention hunting down their agressors one by one in low sec and making them 'pay' (rofl) as martini has stated in much the same fashion as someone that just lost their first mining barge in high sec tends to evemail their victimiser) without the good guys going 'hey look, the pinata's back'; i think you have a surprise coming Lol
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#170 - 2016-04-13 18:54:04 UTC
Il Reverendo wrote:
It's actually far easier to defend in fozzie sov.....yes in a coalition you have the disadvantage of only the relevant alliance being able to entosis but that only accounts for a few players on a few nodes....if you use said colossal coalition to provide cover (and it shouldn't be hard to put together a vaguely respectable covering fleet at any time) then the advantage still lies firmly with the defender. Also if you don't evac the space, have allies that aren't just sitting waiting for you to fail so they can absorb you and keep the adms up it's even more skewed in the defenders favour.
No, it really isn't. Aside from only one alliance being able to actually do the defending and any other players having to just watch, the attackers only need to put a small cheap ship on the table while defenders automatically have their sov on the table. So at a very minimum the defenders have to do the same as the attackers from a much smaller pool of people with a much bigger stake. Plus everyone can automatically see when and what is ready to be attacked so it's easy to dogpile without any kind of intel being required.

Il Reverendo wrote:
The bee guys haven't been doing much of anything except making people laugh in inties for a while now while they bleed alliances, corporations and players at a rate of knots....from their nice invulnerable low sec station which they can barely undock from unless they keep a fleet tied up camping it and achieving nothing.Yes after a while when all main goals are met and there aren't any bees of significance to fight we'll see mbc members go back to doing hat they enjoy, namely having few blues and lots of pew. But if you think the imperium is just going to be able hibernate then be able to come back as a force to still be reckoned with (especially numerically), re-take their space and resume business as usual (not to mention hunting down their agressors one by one in low sec and making them 'pay' (rofl) as martini has stated in much the same fashion as someone that just lost their first mining barge in high sec tends to evemail their victimiser) without the good guys going 'hey look, the pinata's back'; i think you have a surprise coming Lol
Sure, because at the moment they don't really have much of a choice but to let it roll and try to survive. The mistake is assuming that means that it will actually kill them. Hell, TEST lost everything and pretty much died and yet they are currently the third biggest alliance in the game. The thing it's it's been done in the past, and if any group can pull it off it's going to be one as organised as goons are, so your scoffing and giggling to yourself is laughable.

The only part that makes me sad is I won't be actively part of the fight Cry

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Shiloh Templeton
Cheyenne HET Co
#171 - 2016-04-13 19:26:19 UTC
Who is likely to end up holding sov in Deklein since it looks like the Imperium is going to abandon it?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#172 - 2016-04-13 19:26:35 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Il Reverendo wrote:
It's actually far easier to defend in fozzie sov.....yes in a coalition you have the disadvantage of only the relevant alliance being able to entosis but that only accounts for a few players on a few nodes....if you use said colossal coalition to provide cover (and it shouldn't be hard to put together a vaguely respectable covering fleet at any time) then the advantage still lies firmly with the defender. Also if you don't evac the space, have allies that aren't just sitting waiting for you to fail so they can absorb you and keep the adms up it's even more skewed in the defenders favour.
No, it really isn't. Aside from only one alliance being able to actually do the defending and any other players having to just watch, the attackers only need to put a small cheap ship on the table while defenders automatically have their sov on the table. So at a very minimum the defenders have to do the same as the attackers from a much smaller pool of people with a much bigger stake. Plus everyone can automatically see when and what is ready to be attacked so it's easy to dogpile without any kind of intel being required.

Il Reverendo wrote:
The bee guys haven't been doing much of anything except making people laugh in inties for a while now while they bleed alliances, corporations and players at a rate of knots....from their nice invulnerable low sec station which they can barely undock from unless they keep a fleet tied up camping it and achieving nothing.Yes after a while when all main goals are met and there aren't any bees of significance to fight we'll see mbc members go back to doing hat they enjoy, namely having few blues and lots of pew. But if you think the imperium is just going to be able hibernate then be able to come back as a force to still be reckoned with (especially numerically), re-take their space and resume business as usual (not to mention hunting down their agressors one by one in low sec and making them 'pay' (rofl) as martini has stated in much the same fashion as someone that just lost their first mining barge in high sec tends to evemail their victimiser) without the good guys going 'hey look, the pinata's back'; i think you have a surprise coming Lol
Sure, because at the moment they don't really have much of a choice but to let it roll and try to survive. The mistake is assuming that means that it will actually kill them. Hell, TEST lost everything and pretty much died and yet they are currently the third biggest alliance in the game. The thing it's it's been done in the past, and if any group can pull it off it's going to be one as organised as goons are, so your scoffing and giggling to yourself is laughable.

The only part that makes me sad is I won't be actively part of the fight Cry



All this fighting and PVP and bickering and arguing about who killed who...

Looks like Mitler failed in this "ruining YOUR game" thing. People are starting to enjoy it. And if Flustered Cuck Coalition does try to emerge later to try and take it all back, people will enjoy that too.

Fighting. In this game. I literally can't even.

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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2016-04-13 19:37:26 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
You say that, but even if they steamroll through the rest of the sov, all they've done is relocated the Imperium. You see, MBC benefits from not having to be on the defending side of terrible sov mechanics, but once goons aren't either they lose that benefit. At that point it's just two group staging from invulnerable stations fighting each other, and I seriously doubt MBC have the longevity to keep it up as long as it takes. At the end of the day you can set the goalposts whereever you want to claim you're winning too fast, but that doesn't change the reality that the Imperium exists even without sov (and without SMA Cry).
After a quick glance at membership slopes for groups such as PH, TEST, SMA, LAWN and FCON, plus the announcements of various alliances leaving The Imperium despite remaining blue with them, I think it's very clear that a lot more has happened to The Imperium than being "relocated."
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#174 - 2016-04-13 20:05:23 UTC
Don't sell the bear's skin just yet bois. It ain't over till it's over.
Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#175 - 2016-04-13 20:23:46 UTC
Eli Stan wrote:
After a quick glance at membership slopes for groups such as PH, TEST, SMA, LAWN and FCON, plus the announcements of various alliances leaving The Imperium despite remaining blue with them, I think it's very clear that a lot more has happened to The Imperium than being "relocated."
Some of the Imperium alliances got hit pretty hard, like SMA for example, but the core of the Imperium is goons, and they've really just been relocated to lowsec. People might like to pretend that that's it, wars done, they've won, but that's pretty far from reality. The war is still in early stages.

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#176 - 2016-04-13 20:30:41 UTC
This war is still in its infancy. But by all means, pack up and leave if you think otherwise.

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The Economist
Logically Consistent
#177 - 2016-04-13 20:38:34 UTC
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#178 - 2016-04-13 21:22:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Shae Tadaruwa
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Who is likely to end up holding sov in Deklein since it looks like the Imperium is going to abandon it?


The bee guys will end up holding it.

Napoleon took Moscow, Stalingrad was 98% taken; but unless the job is 100% completed, the bee guys allies switched to new allegiances and the space fully occupied, the owners will just move back in.

I would suspect that the bee guys have so much in the way of assets in Dek, that they'll just retake the space when they want because MBC is just a loose coalition that will return to normal when they achieve what they think is the goal, which is only short term.

The bee guys are playing the long game and realise that losing in the short term makes no difference.

The dynamic in the game will be changed by this a touch, but once the war is over the bee guys will have some payback. CO2 will end up the biggest casualty in the long run. MBC members will just go back to their normal ways and carry on.

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Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#179 - 2016-04-13 21:49:16 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Eli Stan wrote:
After a quick glance at membership slopes for groups such as PH, TEST, SMA, LAWN and FCON, plus the announcements of various alliances leaving The Imperium despite remaining blue with them, I think it's very clear that a lot more has happened to The Imperium than being "relocated."
Some of the Imperium alliances got hit pretty hard, like SMA for example, but the core of the Imperium is goons, and they've really just been relocated to lowsec. People might like to pretend that that's it, wars done, they've won, but that's pretty far from reality. The war is still in early stages.
Very early indeed. I haven't noticed many MBC people claiming to have won the war and the work is done. Just enjoying some victory battles. Some of the upcoming steps, from what I can gather from the chatter:

  • Grind down all CONDI SOV structures and POSes in Deklein and Pure Blind.
  • Potentially grind down all Imperium SOV structures and POSes in areas such as Vale, depending on the actions taken by other Imperium alliances.
  • Respond to any attacks launched during the above process. This will be done with great delight, I suspect.
  • Move out to other areas and allow new groups to take SOV, or move in and take SOV themselves and get back to gudfites.
  • Keep an eye out for any future CONDI moves into SOV, or even just force deployments. The emperor has been shown to bee without clothes and is now KOS for very many groups. My feeling is that any opportunity to dunk CONDI will be gleefully seized upon by overwhelming forces.
  • Depending on how certain wealthy and upset parties act, aggression against alliances that are simply blue with The Imperium (or CONDI if the widotting happens) could continue, even if said alliances have retreated to NPC null or low.
  • I haven't heard any discussion of capitulation or surrender, but I will be keeping an eye out for such talk.
  • Propaganda will continue, especially with the intent of getting players to leave CONDI/The Imperium.

This will most certainly be a long-term process.

You also mention CONDI being the core of The Imperium, which is true and why the war was dubbed World War Bee by the people who are in the lead so far. It's why CO2 were welcomed for their defection.
Trudeaux Margaret
University of Caille
#180 - 2016-04-13 21:49:37 UTC
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:
Shiloh Templeton wrote:
Who is likely to end up holding sov in Deklein since it looks like the Imperium is going to abandon it?


The bee guys will end up holding it.

Napoleon took Moscow, Stalingrad was 98% taken; but unless the job is 100% completed, the bee guys allies switched to new allegiances and the space fully occupied, the owners will just move back in.

I would suspect that the bee guys have so much in the way of assets in Dek, that they'll just retake the space when they want because MBC is just a loose coalition that will return to normal when they achieve what they think is the goal, which is only short term.

The bee guys are playing the long game and realise that losing in the short term makes no difference.

The dynamic in the game will be changed by this a touch, but once the war is over the bee guys will have some payback. CO2 will end up the biggest casualty in the long run. MBC members will just go back to their normal ways and carry on.



I doubt that the bee guys will have much payback. They've already been damaged, and before this is all over, they're going to be damaged more. Their coalition has effectively been broken up and the best they can do is salvage some stray corporations from those who have left or are too weak to carry on in the current situation. All imperium alliances are bleeding members and sov, and in spite of Lucas Kell's hurfblurf, it's not going to be some kind of an easy matter to just stroll back into all that space and retake it as easily as the MBC took it.

The Aegis sov attacker/defender gap in difficulty/fairness as constantly pointed to by The Mittani as one of the main reason the MBC was able to do what it has done is vastly overstated here. The truth is, a lot of the Imperium had grown soft and unused to defending its space against anything but roamers. SMA had few true PvP players and lots of ratters and miners who didn't even have a clue about situational awareness and how to safe up when a neut or even a red entered the system, let alone how to report it to intel channels. The players who were eager to defend were fighting an uphill battle simply because of this. And it is folly for people like The Mittani (and Lucas Kell) to assume that all alliances are as bad at the game as this.

I am not saying that the defender disadvantage isn't real, but that the Imperium's disadvantage was worse, especially for alliances like SMA. And actually I have to give SMA props because towards the end there when they realized that things were serious and that they weren't getting bailed out by Goons, they finally pulled it together and put up some fight. But it was too little too late by then.

Anyway, back to my original point. Goons may get all or part of Dek back, but they're probably going to have to fight hard for it, depending on who moves in there. I wouldn't at all be surprised if one or two of their old enemies are eyeing that space as a permanent home. Not naming any names here, but maybe you guys can guess.

> anyone willing to give me like a 5 min politics crash course?

> grr goons, lowsec is full of elitist sh*s, all roads lead to the bittervet pl