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How do you dictate fights?

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Asahakiro Nobunaga
Green Visstick High
#1 - 2016-04-13 02:53:07 UTC

I thought combat in eve was simple, lock on and just fire your weapons at him wether it be drones, missles, or turrets. But apparently i was wrong, I dont know if it is my fits or I just suck in PvP. Furthermore, how do you dictate range and rules of engagement during Solo/Small gang PvP?
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2 - 2016-04-13 03:02:56 UTC
Asahakiro Nobunaga wrote:

I thought combat in eve was simple, lock on and just fire your weapons at him wether it be drones, missles, or turrets. But apparently i was wrong, I dont know if it is my fits or I just suck in PvP. Furthermore, how do you dictate range and rules of engagement during Solo/Small gang PvP?


First off, are you in a brawling ship (in fighting under scram/web range aka <10km) or kiting ship(fighting >10km)? Looking at your zkill tells me you don't fit the holy grail of pvp ships which is a point and/or a web. Your slasher loses tells me that you were flying tackle so that's alright.

If you want to dictate range, learn how to do manual piloting.

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pushdogg
relocation LLC.
#3 - 2016-04-13 03:13:11 UTC
Asahakiro Nobunaga wrote:

I thought combat in eve was simple, lock on and just fire your weapons at him wether it be drones, missles, or turrets. But apparently i was wrong, I dont know if it is my fits or I just suck in PvP. Furthermore, how do you dictate range and rules of engagement during Solo/Small gang PvP?


You definitely thought wrong. Experience will be the best teacher, and some videos from pilots like chessur, and the "Eve is easy" series.

You should watch their frigate videos, and frigate videos in general. Take their advice, then try again. You may be surprised with the results.
Asahakiro Nobunaga
Green Visstick High
#4 - 2016-04-13 03:57:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Asahakiro Nobunaga
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Asahakiro Nobunaga wrote:

I thought combat in eve was simple, lock on and just fire your weapons at him wether it be drones, missles, or turrets. But apparently i was wrong, I dont know if it is my fits or I just suck in PvP. Furthermore, how do you dictate range and rules of engagement during Solo/Small gang PvP?


First off, are you in a brawling ship (in fighting under scram/web range aka <10km) or kiting ship(fighting >10km)? Looking at your zkill tells me you don't fit the holy grail of pvp ships which is a point and/or a web. Your slasher loses tells me that you were flying tackle so that's alright.

If you want to dictate range, learn how to do manual piloting.


How do you learn that?
Can you link me to sources?
Also some of the fights in my kill mail were duels so points weren't neccesary.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#5 - 2016-04-13 04:18:25 UTC
Asahakiro Nobunaga wrote:

How do learn that?.

The same way the rest of us learned, by dying horribly in a fire numerous times and learning from your mistakes.


Asahakiro Nobunaga wrote:

Can you link me to sources?

Agony Unleashed is your friend. Also check out ChessurSB's youtube channel.

Asahakiro Nobunaga wrote:

Also some of the fights in my kill mail were duels so points weren't neccesary.

If you don't have someone tackled, there's nothing to stop them warping off if the fight doesn't go their way. Even in an Honorabru 1v1 At The Sun, there's nothing underhanded about running away where possible.

Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze

This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura

Asahakiro Nobunaga
Green Visstick High
#6 - 2016-04-13 04:25:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Asahakiro Nobunaga
Mephiztopheleze wrote:

The same way the rest of us learned, by dying horribly in a fire numerous times and learning from your mistakes.



Is that the only way?
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#7 - 2016-04-13 04:30:01 UTC
Asahakiro Nobunaga wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Asahakiro Nobunaga wrote:

How do learn that?.

The same way the rest of us learned, by dying horribly in a fire numerous times and learning from your mistakes.


Is that the only way?


pretty much, yeah.

FYI: You're in a newbro friendly corporation tied to one of the larger power blocs. Perhaps ask around inside your corp/alliance for some tutelage from more experienced players. Use cheap T1 frigates.

Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze

This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura

Asahakiro Nobunaga
Green Visstick High
#8 - 2016-04-13 04:32:38 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Asahakiro Nobunaga wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Asahakiro Nobunaga wrote:

How do learn that?.

The same way the rest of us learned, by dying horribly in a fire numerous times and learning from your mistakes.


Is that the only way?


pretty much, yeah.

FYI: You're in a newbro friendly corporation tied to one of the larger power blocs. Perhaps ask around inside your corp/alliance for some tutelage from more experienced players. Use cheap T1 frigates.


Been doing so, keep getting buttraped though. Also is fitting a skill that you should learn or should you just google good fits.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#9 - 2016-04-13 05:10:45 UTC
Asahakiro Nobunaga wrote:
Been doing so, keep getting buttraped though.


If you're learning from said surprise buttsecks, then it's a worthwhile exercise. If you're simply getting stomped and your 'tutor' isn't giving you some hints on what you're doing wrong, you need a new tutor,

Asahakiro Nobunaga wrote:
Also is fitting a skill that you should learn or should you just google good fits.


Ship fitting is a bit of a black art and one that's well worth learning. Looking through killboards for ideas is always a good start.

Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze

This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura

Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2016-04-13 06:26:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Yang Aurilen
Asahakiro Nobunaga wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:

The same way the rest of us learned, by dying horribly in a fire numerous times and learning from your mistakes.



Is that the only way?


You don't learn to walk by learning biology and making dissertations on how the leg muscle does this certain action to allow people to walk. You just do it. Of course walking in EVE is akin to walking over a pit of hot coals with pools on the side filled with sharks ready to bite you if you ever go there or fall over.

Just send me mail and I'll give you some fitting tips as well as some ships to practice on. Make sure you make your skills available in eveboard so I know what to give you. It's something like this: eveboard.com/pilot/Yang_Aurilen

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!

Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-04-13 13:07:58 UTC
Two things:

1) yes, nothing beats first hand experience, and that includes dying a lot. Just look up my killboard: over 600 losses and I'm still pretty bad Lol

2) important thing is to learn from your mistakes, else it would be pointless lol. recording your fights and reviewing them later is an excellent way. especially as a newbro, you'll be surprised by how many silly mistakes you can do in the heat of the action (e.g. forgetting to turn on your prop mod, or forgetting to drop drones when in a hybrid guns/missles + drones ship)

3) some food for thought, research and practice: on-grid range control is key, but how you start the engagement can have a huge influence. warp-in range, deadspace mechanics (can't warp freely inside an anomaly), gate mechanics, warp speed differences, spltting up gangs, etc. are all tools-of-the-trade for PVP. just a simple example: if you start an engagement at range in a sniper fit, it doesn't matter if the enemy is faster than you if you can kill them while they're approaching. another example: if you and your opponent are both scrammed and webbed, it matters less who's faster because you'll both be moving quite slow (especially if you don't have an AB) and the faster dude could be dead before he can change the range in any significant way

4) the above point is the reason why I never do arranged 1v1s: simplifying all the pre-fight maneuvering with a simple 'let's meet at the sun' takes half of the fun out of it


Solo PVP is hard, but awesome. Welcome to the crazy people club and have fun!

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Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#12 - 2016-04-13 15:09:25 UTC
Tying into the post from above

5) Know what your ship can do and know what your enemy can do. Use your strengths to exploit his weaknesses.

-> Most fights are decided before both of you even appear on the grid <-

You may not know his fitting but you will see his shiptype and possibly his name. Look up his latest losses for that shiptype on the killboard. If this fails try and guesstimate what his fit could be.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.

Paranoid Loyd
#13 - 2016-04-13 15:31:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
pushdogg wrote:
chessur
This one in particular helped me out a bunch.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#14 - 2016-04-13 21:14:52 UTC  |  Edited by: sero Hita
Asahakiro Nobunaga wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:

The same way the rest of us learned, by dying horribly in a fire numerous times and learning from your mistakes.



Is that the only way?


Nah, you can also train in a fast frigate with a slow medium drone like a hammerhead. It is described in Tikktokk Tokkzikk's (member of the bringing solo back community in EVE) guide. I found this guide helpfull when I was learning

"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker

Kethen T'val
Dontopiax Mining Inc.
#15 - 2016-04-14 15:40:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Kethen T'val
Asahakiro Nobunaga wrote:
Been doing so, keep getting buttraped though. Also is fitting a skill that you should learn or should you just google good fits.



It all begins with knowledge. Im a firm believer of making my own fits to accomplish a set goal. Sit down with EFT and play around with ships that interest you. Learn their hull strengths and weaknesses, then start making them do different things. Not having a rough idea what you are up against will mean your death, so this works both ways. Ask yourself what you want to accomplish. Then sit down and have a look at hulls that might be well suited for that purpose. Fit it and try it out.


So yes, fitting is an essensial skill if you want to be a successfull pvper.

This is the best way to learn.