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Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#121 - 2016-04-12 16:25:01 UTC
Personally I'd be behind gudfighting in this if CCP wasn't plastering propaganda into the client or as official news.
Brokk Witgenstein
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#122 - 2016-04-12 16:26:19 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
Good attitude. Big smile Blapping each others ships and invading each other's personal space is totally what the game is about, but once it starts getting to the point people are screaming and throwing insults at each other it's certainly time to calm down. P

Though there is one thing highsec pilots don't consider. If Imperium get kicked out of nullsec there's a good chance their activity in highsec will increase. Big smile


Hehehe - yup. I guess that's my way of saying "just wait till I get in a ship with guns grrrrr" I don't really care what happens to highsec (I recently upgraded to a jump freighter) but activity levels rising has crossed my mind, yes. If they reach a point where it's worth our time to wait for and blap all the -5s, that'd be hilarious! One might actually see whole corps developing around the idea of thwarting gankers without wasting their time.

Fun times ahead!
Kamahl Daikun
State War Academy
Caldari State
#123 - 2016-04-12 16:40:39 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:

Kamahl Daikun wrote:
Is this why you take it so seriously?
Super serious me.


You're spending more time on this thread than I spend working at the office.
Obviously serious.
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#124 - 2016-04-12 16:52:09 UTC
Kamahl Daikun wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:

Kamahl Daikun wrote:
Is this why you take it so seriously?
Super serious me.


You're spending more time on this thread than I spend working at the office.
Obviously serious.


Posting about posting.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Mario Putzo
#125 - 2016-04-12 16:52:36 UTC
Rain6639 wrote:
Personally I'd be behind gudfighting in this if CCP wasn't plastering propaganda into the client or as official news.


It is official news though.
Fact there is a war going on, it is popularly called World War Bee. If you don't like the name, tough ****, that is what the community has named it. Fact there was a big fight in M-0 that resulted in crushing CFC defeat, and loss of an ally CO2.

They host a link to TMC and EN24 so people can get coverage on both sides of the war...its not CCP's fault that TMC is not reporting any war related news.

In regards to propaganda, why doesn't CFC start submitting some stuff then? The one they selected from PL is very well done, regarfless who it vouches for it absolutely is worthy of a community spotlight just because how well it was put together. I mean CFC has not submitted anything in terms of propaganda, case in point....CCP had to make propaganda on CFC's behalf with the Scope Video about State of the Goonion.

Where is the scope video supporting MBC, CCP is obviously super biased right, spending production time making something CFC specific while leaving 50 something alliances without the same.

Absolutely pathetic that you and your organization complain about CCP covering this war in a bias manner when both sides are equally represented on the Updates page. I am embarrassed for you tbh.

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#126 - 2016-04-12 16:53:20 UTC
Kamahl Daikun wrote:
You're spending more time on this thread than I spend working at the office.
Obviously serious.
You should really work more, since I've really not spent much time in here at all. You should see me when I've got free time to burn in a thread.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#127 - 2016-04-12 17:01:49 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
It is official news though.
Fact there is a war going on, it is popularly called World War Bee. If you don't like the name, tough ****, that is what the community has named it. Fact there was a big fight in M-0 that resulted in crushing CFC defeat, and loss of an ally CO2.

They host a link to TMC and EN24 so people can get coverage on both sides of the war...its not CCP's fault that TMC is not reporting any war related news.

In regards to propaganda, why doesn't CFC start submitting some stuff then? The one they selected from PL is very well done, regarfless who it vouches for it absolutely is worthy of a community spotlight just because how well it was put together. I mean CFC has not submitted anything in terms of propaganda, case in point....CCP had to make propaganda on CFC's behalf with the Scope Video about State of the Goonion.

Where is the scope video supporting MBC, CCP is obviously super biased right, spending production time making something CFC specific while leaving 50 something alliances without the same.

Absolutely pathetic that you and your organization complain about CCP covering this war in a bias manner when both sides are equally represented on the Updates page. I am embarrassed for you tbh.
I think a lot of the issue is that CCP recently have started this thing where they basically live on reddit, and if you post anything even remotely pro-goon on reddit you get downvoted into oblivion, leaving CCP only really able to pick through anti-goon material. I'm with the suggestion I saw in some thread somewhere on here that CCP should make a war subforum, and that should be full blown go crazy with propaganda and whatnot, so there's a single unified neutral location for players to post.

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Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Aaron Honk
Distributed Denial of Service
#128 - 2016-04-12 17:04:30 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
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There was a pretty good one posted on /r/eve today

https://i.imgur.com/x46diRS.jpg
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#129 - 2016-04-12 17:06:58 UTC
a war subforum'd be ok, as long as npc alts are required to address real people as 'sir', if only as a token admission of inferiority
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#130 - 2016-04-12 17:10:17 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Rain6639 wrote:
Personally I'd be behind gudfighting in this if CCP wasn't plastering propaganda into the client or as official news.


It is official news though.
Fact there is a war going on, it is popularly called World War Bee. If you don't like the name, tough ****, that is what the community has named it. Fact there was a big fight in M-0 that resulted in crushing CFC defeat, and loss of an ally CO2.

They host a link to TMC and EN24 so people can get coverage on both sides of the war...its not CCP's fault that TMC is not reporting any war related news.

In regards to propaganda, why doesn't CFC start submitting some stuff then? The one they selected from PL is very well done, regarfless who it vouches for it absolutely is worthy of a community spotlight just because how well it was put together. I mean CFC has not submitted anything in terms of propaganda, case in point....CCP had to make propaganda on CFC's behalf with the Scope Video about State of the Goonion.

Where is the scope video supporting MBC, CCP is obviously super biased right, spending production time making something CFC specific while leaving 50 something alliances without the same.

Absolutely pathetic that you and your organization complain about CCP covering this war in a bias manner when both sides are equally represented on the Updates page. I am embarrassed for you tbh.


Nah bud CCP has been far from impartial in this. It leaves a bad taste in one's mouth. That whole janitor thing is out the window for some reason and I don't know why.
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#131 - 2016-04-12 17:24:01 UTC
Your language right now doesn't matter to me, neither does whatever r/eve does. But when I see it on a "what's going on right now" page on an official EVE url, that makes me decide not to play ball. The fact is we know how to give good war, but if CCP can't be impartial then they get a bad war. That looks like T1 everything, frigates and interceptors maybe. But no capitals, no grudge matches.
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#132 - 2016-04-12 17:28:02 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Kamahl Daikun wrote:
Lucas Kell wrote:

Kamahl Daikun wrote:
Is this why you take it so seriously?
Super serious me.


You're spending more time on this thread than I spend working at the office.
Obviously serious.


Posting about posting.


Postingception

*nip*

❤️️💛💚💙💜

Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2016-04-12 17:34:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Eli Stan
Lucas Kell wrote:
if you post anything even remotely pro-goon on reddit you get downvoted into oblivion


Like this pro-Karma Fleet one that has five times as many upvotes as most pro-MBC propaganda?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4efhqo/join_the_imperium_and_get_to_fight_against_the/
Well done propaganda is appreciated on reddit, regardless of who it supports.

Now this is an example of a post getting downvoted into oblivion:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/4eeozp/ccp_has_a_pr_problem/
That is salt wrapped up in tinfoil.
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#134 - 2016-04-12 17:39:14 UTC
Ironically the World War Bee name would become accurate if we congeal into a giant alliance.
Kamahl Daikun
State War Academy
Caldari State
#135 - 2016-04-12 17:47:14 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:

Posting about posting.


Hi, I'll take fries with that.
Make them fresh, please.

Lucas Kell wrote:
Kamahl Daikun wrote:
You're spending more time on this thread than I spend working at the office.
Obviously serious.
You should really work more, since I've really not spent much time in here at all. You should see me when I've got free time to burn in a thread.


I don't really want to. Your dedication to this subject is already unsettling.
Mario Putzo
#136 - 2016-04-12 17:52:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Mario Putzo
Lucas Kell wrote:
I think a lot of the issue is that CCP recently have started this thing where they basically live on reddit, and if you post anything even remotely pro-goon on reddit you get downvoted into oblivion, leaving CCP only really able to pick through anti-goon material. I'm with the suggestion I saw in some thread somewhere on here that CCP should make a war subforum, and that should be full blown go crazy with propaganda and whatnot, so there's a single unified neutral location for players to post.


First, why would they not communicate on reddit, it has 60K subs, and there are 500-1K+ active users (more frequency now due to war) at pretty much all times of the day it is a fairly popular and active sub...the devs would be stupid not to frequent a popular sub, on a popular website, for a game they made.

Secondly, I read reddit a lot, and I stay on "new" I can tell you 100% that pro-CFC stuff is just not being posted there are two reasons for this I think.

1) Prior to the kickstarter, CFC had decent reddit presence, and their submissions were tolerated in terms of "dankness" or "spiciness", sure there was Grr Goon threads etc, but were talking the EVE O quality "Goons are bad and I hate them". Whatever right. After the kickstarter is when things changed. Mittani and Sion were actively trying to get vote brigade thing going to boost their kickstarter awareness. This didn't sit well with Reddit, (because that is how Reddit works)

Mittani, viewed this as a direct personal attack, and developed this **** Reddit attitude, saying **** like Reddit isn't an EVE community. So of course, this only got your average redditor more encouraged to **** him off. Which they doubled down on with Sion quit from CSM, this is where the CCP ****** us because Reddit came from. Obviously at this point the "not a real community" of Reddit went pretty Anti-Bee, because it drove Mittani nuts, and made Sion look dumb....it didn't help when old goons like Endie, Blwarf and DJ posted anti goon threads either.

2) The war has not been remotely good for CFC, you can spin cycle it however you want to justify reasoning, But it has not been good. It is clearly obvious CFC is broken, the non-GSF members are all bleeding players/corps. Every region held a month ago is essentially lost at this point. So really what do Goons have to cheer for? They fly around in Inties and watch their space burn from low sec. That can hardly be fun, or entertaining for the majority. It is demoralizing, so what do they have to celebrate on reddit.

Prior to the "real" war CFC had good presence, when they brawled Tishu and Horde in Fade, Content Ring, CO2/Lawn/Bastion in the other theatre. There was lots of good posting over good fights, by both sides. But now, after the fastest collapse in EVE history...I just don't think Goons post anymore because they have nothing to cheer for.



In regards to a forum section, there is one. CAOD. No one posts there because

1) ISD's over moderate, and EVE Players in heat (of war) sperge pretty hard.
2) The forum eats posts all the time, it is frustrating as **** to type **** out hit post and watch it disappear.

So I don't see it getting used even if one was created, because frankly...these forums actually do suck.

oh and you can swear on reddit too...*********** < makes conversation poop
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#137 - 2016-04-12 18:08:54 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
So really what do Goons have to cheer for?


A future more fun than these past two years.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.

Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#138 - 2016-04-12 18:11:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Lucas Kell
Mario Putzo wrote:
First, why would they not communicate on reddit, it has 60K subs, and there are 500-1K+ active users (more frequency now due to war) at pretty much all times of the day it is a fairly popular and active sub...the devs would be stupid not to frequent a popular sub, on a popular website, for a game they made.
Because it's insanely biased and filled with ex-bittervets.

Mario Putzo wrote:
Secondly, I read reddit a lot, and I stay on "new" I can tell you 100% that pro-CFC stuff is just not being posted there are two reasons for this I think.
...
The third reason you are missing is that if someone comments and it's pro-goon, it's generally downvoted. There's no point in players even attempting to join reddit from the Imperium side since someone will say "Hey we're going to crush goons" +50 karma, then a new goon replies "We'll fight you to the end" -20 karma, posts now invisible. I gave reddit a fair crack seeing that CCP decided it's a better place than their official forums to talk about game mechanics, but there's just no point unless you're only interested in following the popular opinion and have the sense of humour of a 12 year old.

Mario Putzo wrote:
In regards to a forum section, there is one. CAOD. No one posts there because

1) ISD's over moderate, and EVE Players in heat (of war) sperge pretty hard.
2) The forum eats posts all the time, it is frustrating as **** to type **** out hit post and watch it disappear.

So I don't see it getting used even if one was created, because frankly...these forums actually do suck.
1. Don't sperg, behave like an adult and you won't get moderated.
2. As a regular forum warrior I know that's not as common as you make it sound, maybe once a day. Sure it could use some work, but thankfully it remembers posts anyway.

Also there's benefits:
1. It's unbiased (ish)
2. The worst of the attacks and unhealthy rage posts are filtered down
3. Posting is restricted to active, unbanned characters
4. Posts rise to the top based on activity positive or negative, rather than actively pushing popular opinions only
5. It's not reddit

CAOD isn't really the place though, they really need a war forum with rules set up to allow players to discuss active wars, share propaganda, etc.

Mario Putzo wrote:
oh and you can swear on reddit too...*********** < makes conversation poop
Golly gosh, you won me over. I can't possibly imagine posting without swearing.

The Indecisive Noob - EVE fan blog.

Wholesale Trading - The new bulk trading mailing list.

Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#139 - 2016-04-12 18:16:37 UTC
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
So really what do Goons have to cheer for?


A future more fun than these past two years.

Try to talk to him as little as possible please
Angelique Duchemin
Team Evil
#140 - 2016-04-12 18:17:45 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Angelique Duchemin wrote:
Mario Putzo wrote:
So really what do Goons have to cheer for?


A future more fun than these past two years.

Try to talk to him as little as possible please



I outrank you. Back in your box before I'm forced to Widot you.

The very sun of heaven seemed distorted when viewed through the polarising miasma welling out from this sea-soaked perversion, and twisted menace and suspense lurked leeringly in those crazily elusive angles of carven rock where a second glance shewed concavity after the first shewed convexity.