EVE General Discussion

Carefull now, treading the line with that regarding the forum policy private communication.

I chat in local all the time, though there are very few who are willing to reply. One guy even said 'well I will take the risk of getting ganked, but Hi back at you'. Unless you are sitting in a hulk in middle of idiot territory, er I mean code territory, don't worry about chatting with people.

I don't see how something that does nothing is a punishment. Can you please break it down for me?

"Dreddit is recruiting"?

After getting involved in a Twitter conversation with a couple of people who think we've somehow, as a player base, "failed" this person, I felt the need to lay out, in a longer medium, why no-one has failed except for this player.

1. If you're afraid to chat or be social, who have you been chatting with? Was it the first few people that were talking loudly in your NPC corp? Was it the loud shouty people in Local? Perhaps, just perhaps you should look at their comments/posts and maybe use your basic intuition and social skills to establish that maybe these aren't the chaps for you. Let's say you like mining, why not have a look around the system you mine in and see who is doing a similar activity? Perhaps that's the soul mate you're looking for? Let's say you want to get started in solo PvP ... well chat to the people that kill you every time and ask their advice; Chances are that they have the same mindset to you. Like in real life, if you find that someone is a moron or *******, move on and find people you can get on with. With one single exception everyone I've ever had pvp fights with is happy to talk fits, tactics etc.

2. A lack of understanding of the game system is something only you can fix. The way you fix that is by research and asking questions. If you don't understand something like a bounty, look it up; In this case you'll find its a largely useless system which has been left to rot on the shelf. It has almost zero in-game effect, won't make anyone attack you and pretty much just puts a wanted tagline on your portrait. Some of the most philanthropic characters in the game have massive bounties; Look at Mike Azariah, Chribba etc. If you're not willing to look up information or engage with people (like in this thread) who are trying to help, you've got no hope. Eve is meant to be complex and it rewards people that understand that.

3. Being tough. Being prepared for setback, loss and humiliation in Eve and bouncing back from all of that will make you a good player. You will lose. Again and again. If you can't take someone putting a bounty on you for a laugh, how will you cope with losing your first 50 ships? How will you react when you're ganked? What about when the corp you've built for years has everything nicked by a trusted friend? What about when someone AWOXes your entire capital fleet? Get tough.

4. Approach everything in Eve like you would social encounters in RL. No-one is there to help you, unless that's their job, or they know you. There are lots of noob friendly organisations in Eve and you need to find them. Randomly talking to people in local, or in the NPC corps is akin to chatting to that insane drunk bloke who lives in a doorway down the road and shouts to themselves a lot - They might indeed know some things and have some interesting points, but they aren't the person you want to take advice from about how to live your life. The people most likely to be visible & chatty in the NPC corps are people that can't find a home anywhere "normal". Everyone else in the NPC corps that are quiet? They are hauling or industry alts. They won't talk to you because they are currently running at least 3 other clients and chatting to their actual mates in sane corps.

From running a 250 man noob focussed corp, you can tell the players that are likely to "make it" in New Eden from your first chat with them - They are the ones that ask non-stop questions about the game system, the ones that understand that someone taking the mickey is an opportunity to take the mickey back, not dissolve in tears at what the bad man said to me in a computer game. They are the ones who want to do stuff to see what happens. They are the ones with the funny killboards that wanted to try something. They are the ones that don't get put off by a challenge.

Everyone that's still playing eve, well done. You're the right kind of gamer.

This bit struck me in particular, because not so long ago a fellow corp member was doing what the OP was complaining about; putting a simple bounty of 123,456 on each character that spoke up in corp chat, or whenever he spotted someone from corp in local. He's not a bad guy by any stretch of the imagination, and at first I thought he was just horsing around, but looking back now it was serving as a litmus test of sorts.

Bearing in mind that new players are only starting to get to grips with the basic game mechanics, that they don't know that the bounty mechanic is inherently broken, and that they would probably assume bounties are bad, the reaction to getting bountied was a good method to see if they could cope once the going got tough, and can be broken up into 3 groups;

1. Silence/Unresponsive: A myriad of reasons for this, so you can't really make any firm conclusions.

2. Humorous/Curious: When they pipe up with questions/statements like "are bounties bad?" "omg why did he bounty me? help! D:" (without resorting to cussing) or "I'm a wanted man now! FEAR ME YOU SEADOGS!!", I usually think they're going to do just fine.

3. Anger/Rage: The ones who'll fly off the proverbial rail without first considering whatever it is that's happened, only that it has happened, swearing aplenty. With those, I got the feeling that they wouldn't be able to take more then a loss or two and with a couple of them I saw first-hand that, indeed, they couldn't cut it.



Slightly unrelated, but I've just noticed that I no longer have a bounty on my head. Could anyone be so kind as to correct that? I'm missing that warm, fuzzy feeling.

To a point, we all have a responsibility to be verbally civil with one another. You can be uncivil in EVE with your weapons systems, market schemes, and play style... perfectly acceptable and part of the game.

I do read a lot of garbage in this forum that is intended to offend and/or be 'mean' just to elevate the ego/self conceit of the person posting the comment. That kind of mean-ness is just a form of selfishness that makes the poster look like a puffed up fool or bully. Pointing it out to them is the best response, not being offended by it, that gives them the power they are looking for.

Be secure in your own self. Being secure means that nobody can offend you unless you allow them to. It means you are strong enough to admit when you make mistakes and it means that truth is easier to seek and live by. Once you find that inner 'you' that is strong, everything else becomes far less of a challenge.

Best way on these forums is to use an alt regardless of what someone says, because they will hound you in-game.

Not really strange.


If someone uses the forum frequently and has a differing opinion on how the game should be, then if they hound them in-game they stand a chance of driving them from the game and hence removing those other opinions from the forums.

Which is why it's always better to use an alt, then if you say something they don't want to hear you are not putting your main at risk.

A little tip about that bounty, given by someone who gets meaningless bounties on himself from time to time that gets cleared out within the month:

Bounties do not immediately make you FFA in high sec. If someone tries to collect the bounty on you while in high sec while you still have either above -5 security status or you haven't a kill right activated on you, they will be shot by CONCORD.

(Doesn't stop gankers from killing your ship with ten Catalysts though. The massed DPS on these things are ridiculous).

Also, people dropping bounties on you doesn't necessarily mean you are hated. I got bounties placed on me from time to time when saying stuff on local. Don't know whether I insulted the person, or whether he found me funny, or he was horsing around. Probably will never know.