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Dyaven
#1 - 2012-01-13 05:23:58 UTC
I'm starting to lose my mind here. PVP in EVE is not what it used to be. I enjoy playing solo. Yes, multiplayer game, blah blah, but shooting players is as much multiplayer interaction as I need. I have WoW for group drama and such. Anywho, I'm just in a real slum and I don't know what to do. I enjoy EVE, I really do, but it seems like the game itself is trying really hard to change that.

I am at 4 losses in a row in 3 days now with 0 kills inbetween. Two Myrmidons, an Ishkur and just now a Pilgrim - and a Pod, if that counts. The isk isn't the issue. Incursions are absurd and I make back the total combined isk loss in a day. The fact that all of those ships didn't last more than a few hours is what's really irking me, and the fact that I have changed nothing from my old tactics that used to work. I have scoured lowsec for hours - all it seems to lead to is me inevitably getting caught in a gatecamp. That's what happened to the Myrmidons. Thinking I should try something smaller, since most of the targets tend to be small anyways, I hopped into an Ishkur, jumped into OMS and instantly died to an instalock gatecamp.

I then decided to put my neglected Amarr Cruiser V to good use and try out a Pilgrim. Scoured lowsec for 4+ hours with not even a missed target - literally zero targets. I effortlessly breezed past several gatecamps with the Covops cloak and thought I had finally picked the right ship for the job. Frustrated at the lack of targets, I hopped on an alt and scouted out a nullsec entrace and the surrounding area. Devoid of gatecamps. I log back over to my main and jump in - 20+ ships now surround the gate in the 45 seconds it took for me to switch characters.

So now i'm sitting in Dodixie in my Machariel with a fresh set of implants, wondering why I should even bother hopping over to the nearby Incursion. What is in this game for me? Why can't I catch one goddamned break? Is there any PVP left to be had with less than 10+ people, let alone one?
Officer Nyota Uhura
#2 - 2012-01-13 05:40:45 UTC
TL;DR: OP can't adapt in PvP, OP loses 4 ships, OP gets back to carebearing.
Dyaven
#3 - 2012-01-13 05:43:52 UTC
Officer Nyota Uhura wrote:
TL;DR: OP can't adapt in PvP, OP loses 4 ships, OP gets back to carebearing.


If I didn't have to make isk I wouldn't PVE at all. How exactly do you propose I support being able to lose 4 ships in 3 days without PVEing a little bit inbetween?
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#4 - 2012-01-13 05:47:57 UTC
Dyaven wrote:
[...] The fact that all of those ships didn't last more than a few hours is what's really irking me, and the fact that I have changed nothing from my old tactics that used to work. I have scoured lowsec for hours - all it seems to lead to is me inevitably getting caught in a gatecamp. That's what happened to the Myrmidons. Thinking I should try something smaller, since most of the targets tend to be small anyways, I hopped into an Ishkur, jumped into OMS and instantly died to an instalock gatecamp. [...]


You clearly refuse to adapt, despite being explicitly shown how you can courtesy of that CovOps cloak, and expect sympathy from the community for this? Mother of all Gods, this is what my beloved EVE is coming to?

And by the way, I predict that you will lose that Machi...And if you can't yet figure out why, then you'll deserve to.

Try avoiding the major pipe/camp-systems for starters, they are all well-known.

Next!

Ni.
Dyaven
#5 - 2012-01-13 05:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Dyaven
Lyrrashae wrote:
Dyaven wrote:
[...] The fact that all of those ships didn't last more than a few hours is what's really irking me, and the fact that I have changed nothing from my old tactics that used to work. I have scoured lowsec for hours - all it seems to lead to is me inevitably getting caught in a gatecamp. That's what happened to the Myrmidons. Thinking I should try something smaller, since most of the targets tend to be small anyways, I hopped into an Ishkur, jumped into OMS and instantly died to an instalock gatecamp. [...]


You clearly refuse to adapt, despite being explicitly shown how you can courtesy of that CovOps cloak, and expect sympathy from the community for this? Mother of all Gods, this is what my beloved EVE is coming to?

And by the way, I predict that you will lose that Machi...And if you can't yet figure out why, then you'll deserve to.

Try avoiding the major pipe/camp-systems for starters, they are all well-known.

Next!


I am well aware of OMS's notorious status. I was not aware that a bunch of Hurricanes were going to instalock a frigate. The only thing that will cause me to lose my Machariel is a drunk/afk/incompetent logistics pilot. Knowing my luck, it'll probably happen.

Quote:

despite being explicitly shown how you can courtesy of that CovOps cloak


Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

EDIT: Sorry, I'm tired and my brain interpreted this as garbled English, I see what you were saying now. Clearly, I want to adapt, as you pointed out - I tried something new but ended up with the same result. (Although I'm to blame for venturing into 0.0, it really felt like a kick in the balls considering the absurdity of the situation.) What do you suggest I do to adapt?
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#6 - 2012-01-13 06:01:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
Dyaven wrote:


Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?


Flerg ungemby derpy-pensiderp-pootie-inurbumbumface?

Fake E: ordutweet berplegg fartbeepholio?

FFS, speak English, mate.

Ni.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-01-13 06:06:33 UTC
Funny, I solo all the time.

Never find anything but never get caught in camps either, methinks op is a little inept

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny
Dyaven
#8 - 2012-01-13 06:09:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Dyaven
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Funny, I solo all the time.

Never find anything but never get caught in camps either, methinks op is a little inept


I don't get caught in every camp I run into, just the ones that can scram and web my slow ass Myrmidon before it can MWD to the gate.
Emerald Decartes
Syndicate Holdings
#9 - 2012-01-13 06:14:03 UTC
Akrasjel Lanate wrote:
Kc Decartes wrote:
I believe most people look for people like you that are ether trolling, or trying to create a false existence i.e complaining to much. One is a dream, the other is pretentious.

Choose your side or GTFO

-»Kcл-



D.F.C.S. no TRUST in mankind no confidence IN goverment there will never be enduring FREEDOM.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#10 - 2012-01-13 06:23:51 UTC
Dyaven wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Funny, I solo all the time.

Never find anything but never get caught in camps either, methinks op is a little inept


I don't get caught in every camp I run into, just the ones that can scram and web my slow ass Myrmidon before it can MWD to the gate.


So don't use that wallowing pig of an armour-tanker. There's a reason why fast shield/nano BCs are so heavily used nowadays.

Ni.
Dyaven
#11 - 2012-01-13 06:24:39 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
Dyaven wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
Funny, I solo all the time.

Never find anything but never get caught in camps either, methinks op is a little inept


I don't get caught in every camp I run into, just the ones that can scram and web my slow ass Myrmidon before it can MWD to the gate.


So don't use that wallowing pig of an armour-tanker. There's a reason why fast shield/nano BCs are so heavily used nowadays.


Note the part where I did exactly that.
Lyrrashae
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#12 - 2012-01-13 06:33:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Lyrrashae
Dyaven wrote:
Lyrrashae wrote:
Dyaven wrote:
[...] The fact that all of those ships didn't last more than a few hours is what's really irking me, and the fact that I have changed nothing from my old tactics that used to work. I have scoured lowsec for hours - all it seems to lead to is me inevitably getting caught in a gatecamp. That's what happened to the Myrmidons. Thinking I should try something smaller, since most of the targets tend to be small anyways, I hopped into an Ishkur, jumped into OMS and instantly died to an instalock gatecamp. [...]


You clearly refuse to adapt, despite being explicitly shown how you can courtesy of that CovOps cloak, and expect sympathy from the community for this? Mother of all Gods, this is what my beloved EVE is coming to?

And by the way, I predict that you will lose that Machi...And if you can't yet figure out why, then you'll deserve to.

Try avoiding the major pipe/camp-systems for starters, they are all well-known.

Next!


I am well aware of OMS's notorious status. I was not aware that a bunch of Hurricanes were going to instalock a frigate. The only thing that will cause me to lose my Machariel is a drunk/afk/incompetent logistics pilot. Knowing my luck, it'll probably happen.

Quote:

despite being explicitly shown how you can courtesy of that CovOps cloak


Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

EDIT: Sorry, I'm tired and my brain interpreted this as garbled English, I see what you were saying now. Clearly, I want to adapt, as you pointed out - I tried something new but ended up with the same result. (Although I'm to blame for venturing into 0.0, it really felt like a kick in the balls considering the absurdity of the situation.) What do you suggest I do to adapt?


In a word, get a few mates who know what they're doing. Small gang of medium-sized fast-movers is where it's at nowadays, at least for me. Fast nano/shield BCs with a few cloaky Recons for E-War support and scouting. Or a frigate/assault-frigate wolfpack with a couple EAFs well-fitted and flown, with a CovOps pilot who also knows what s/he is about.

It pains me to say it, but true solo is....not dead, but not really alive anymore, either. (And half the time that "soloist" you run into is also controlling an off-grid booster alt, a logi-alt, a scout-alt, and a Falcon-alt, so what the Hell does "solo" even mean in Alts-Online(TM) anymore?)

Ni.
Loraine Gess
Confedeferate Union of Tax Legalists
#13 - 2012-01-13 07:29:35 UTC
Dyaven wrote:
the fact that I have changed nothing from my old tactics that used to work.




What?! Tactics... evolve?! No way
Officer Nyota Uhura
#14 - 2012-01-13 07:42:20 UTC
Lyrrashae wrote:
In a word, get a few mates who know what they're doing. Small gang of medium-sized fast-movers is where it's at nowadays, at least for me. Fast nano/shield BCs with a few cloaky Recons for E-War support and scouting. Or a frigate/assault-frigate wolfpack with a couple EAFs well-fitted and flown, with a CovOps pilot who also knows what s/he is about.

This. We've had great fun in 3-5 person AF/EAF gangs with a couple of alt scouts. EAF:s are way undervalued. Bring a bomber for BS kills. This in null sec though - I don't know about low.

Also, as a solo pilot you could hang out near nullsec warzones and catch stragglers and re-shippers. The bad thing is that there's not much fighting back as most of them are in slow-ass alpha battleships which have no chance in hell hitting your speedy and ganky HAC/T3/Recon ship.
Kagan Storm
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-01-13 11:13:02 UTC
Dyaven wrote:
I'm starting to lose my mind here. PVP in EVE is not what it used to be. I enjoy playing solo. Yes, multiplayer game, blah blah, but shooting players is as much multiplayer interaction as I need. I have WoW for group drama and such.....



Stoped reading after this cause i know Drama in EvE is much better then drama in WoW so you Sir are a baboon. Bear

My ego is the the size of my carriers jump range.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#16 - 2012-01-13 13:36:20 UTC
I can't believe how ******** most of the C&P community is these days, and given it's history that's REALLY shameful.

OP: Soloing in EVE is a sadistic move and unless you have spent a good amount of time trying it yourself it's really quite hard to convey just how tough it can be.

It's very common to have a string of bad engagements and start to feel that there is no point to it all but you have to break through that. Once you get another kill you will start to feel better about it. 4 losses in a row isn't really a significant amount but it's still demoralising.

Maybe you DO need to rethink your strategies. Could you have done something different in those situations? Could the Myrmidon's have burned back to gate and jumped out in time? The Ishkur dying to instalockers... same again (MWD?). As for the Pilgrim, while you have a cloak to deal with choke points etc. It's a very hard ship to solo in since you really need to be careful with your target selection.

As you say, it isn't the ISK, that's always easy to come by, but it's the feeling of hopelessness. Maybe take a short break, chill and check out some resources to give you some inspiration. I like checking out blogs like the brutor bullfighter and Kane Rizzels, Kil2's recent podcasts with Kovorix and his youtube channels breakdowns of individual engagements have all been very interesting to check out. I'll go ahead and pop some links in here for you.

Over and above all else, ignore the ******** badposters on the forums who either can't post on their mains because they are so bad or havent had a solo kill since June last year and even then it was a cyno imicus http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=13477036

BB http://brutorbullfighter.blogspot.com/
KR http://novakaneinc.blogspot.com/

Kil2/Kov https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=42133
Kil2 commentary http://www.youtube.com/user/jampyzero

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Amun Khonsu
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-01-13 13:49:35 UTC
Dyaven wrote:
Why can't I catch one goddamned break? Is there any PVP left to be had with less than 10+ people, let alone one?


Short answer: No.

Unless you know someone who will honor a 1 v 1 (which is very rare), it is safe to assume there there is no 1 v 1 in EVE.

Fight them until turmoil is no more and strike terror into their hearts. www.ross-fw.net
Karl Planck
Perkone
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-01-13 14:23:43 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:

Over and above all else, ignore the ******** badposters on the forums who either can't post on their mains because they are so bad or havent had a solo kill since June last year and even then it was a cyno imicus http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=13477036

Lolololololololol (I am lol’ing about the link btw)

Spank makes a number of extremely valid points about moral and difficulty with soloing.

Something else to add with. If you are having a hell of a time soloing, start flying around in frig hulls more often. The bigger you are and the more you travel the more you are likely to get caught by a camp.

I know its tuff out there, but if it wasn’t it wouldn’t be so rewarding to be successful.

I has all the eve inactivity
Grog Drinker
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-01-13 14:26:43 UTC
Amun Khonsu wrote:
Dyaven wrote:
Why can't I catch one goddamned break? Is there any PVP left to be had with less than 10+ people, let alone one?


Short answer: No.

Unless you know someone who will honor a 1 v 1 (which is very rare), it is safe to assume there there is no 1 v 1 in EVE.


Our killboard paints a very different picture. Every day tusker pilots are able to find great 1v1 fights. Maybe your not looking in the right places.
http://tuskers.killmail.org/
Smegmeister
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-01-13 15:29:18 UTC
Solution:

Come to Tama and ask for any Trifectas / War Trident member.

Any one of us will hapily solo and you will get a fair fight so long as the terms are agreed prior.
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