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Memphis Baas
#21 - 2016-04-11 12:13:44 UTC
We can't guarantee what your experiences will be, but because this game is PVP and "serious business", the "let's be nice to everyone!" attitude you see in themepark MMO's like WoW and SWTOR isn't as strong here. We're nice and we give advice in this Newbie Questions subforum, but in-game you're a valid target and we'll probably shoot you. Use the in-game People and Places search function and look up some of the people who replied to you here; you'll see hardened PVP veterans, pirates, mercenaries, etc.

The Tiffany thread proves this; if you read the thread, she appears to be very young, or very shy. People did rush to help her out with answers, while others suspected that this was an act. This game allows a spy to infiltrate a corp and steal everything, kill all the corp members, all sorts of bad stuff, so there was some suspicion; we don't trust easily. The Tiffany thread, as typed, is inconclusive, but by page 12, the corp she joined (they invited her to help her out I guess) got immediately attacked by 3 large pirate / mercenary corps, and they were getting kills despite the fact that the game doesn't reveal your location if you're in a wormhole, and doesn't reveal if you're online (a spy in the corp can, of course, relay that information). Inconclusive.

Creeps will be creeps, I guess, but anyone being so opens himself to a world of trouble. You have some options besides just avoidance: you can hire mercenaries to PVP the offender repeatedly, you can ambush him, you can publicly shame and make an example...

And yes, creeps in the corp is a sign of a bad corp. A good corp will be too busy trying to succeed, progress, or have fun within the game. In a good corp, what you do in RL doesn't matter; all that matters is can you fly your ship, can you bring it to the op, are you performing? There are good corps out there; you don't have to settle for corps with creeps.

Cara Forelli is calling everyone "Tiffany" now. I guess it's her way of saying that she doesn't trust anyone.

Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#22 - 2016-04-11 12:14:14 UTC
Usually just being able to listen on comms is all you need. Or be like me and get in trouble everyday for not being on them. IMO mandatory comms is for afk-netflix-watching-miners

@lunettelulu7

hurgmurflUr
Doomheim
#23 - 2016-04-11 17:03:43 UTC
Anna Price wrote:

Just one more question - do you think I could do some solo pvp at this point or is that harder? I understand that you can be useful in a fleet and that's really cool, but I want to try out some solo pvp too! :D




It's harder but you can absolutely do it.

If you want to get a feel for solo pvp I'd suggest fitting up a bunch of cheap T1 frigates, flying out to low/null, and shooting at whatever moves. You'll almost certainly die horribly, but if you do it enough you'll figure out the mechanics, and learn how to pick targets that you might stand a chance against.

Plus you'll get used to dying which is usually a common experience for a solo pvp'er.
Pandora Carrollon
Provi Rapid Response
#24 - 2016-04-11 19:27:31 UTC
You've been given some great advice by some stalwart EVE players. They were a big help to me when I first started a couple of months ago. So I understand the 'shiny new' experience. Many of the veteran players don't understand the modern new 'EVE' player experience. They can try to think it out, but in the end, it's really hard to know what to do with the massive numbers of game mechanics and systems.

Each 'profession' tends to have it's own mechanics and it's own followers, some more fanatic than others.

You have already seen a lot of different "EVE is like this..." statements in just this thread. Trying to tie all those statement together can sometimes give you a headache. I'll try to help you with some things that helped me... A LOT.

Don't worry about a corporation so much. Very socially adept people jump right into them and feel at home. More soloist sorts might like to be more comfortable with the game and how it works first. That's perfectly fine. Soloists tend to be more adapt at failing and flailing around to find themselves and which way is up. Social sorts like to ask and be instructed through interaction. Again, no problem either way.

You have a lot of purchased ISK and a good ship already, but getting the hang of fitting that ship is really a chore. You can look up pre-packaged fits for the Astero, but you need to understand why that fit works if you ever intend to change it and optimize it for how you fly. This is where friends help. So, if you prefer words on a screen the forum pages for fitting can help you out a lot. Find a good fitting site and toy with different fits, you'll get the hang of it after a few trials and errors. NPC's make great trials. Players... not so much. You might die so fast you don't even know what system was dragging you down. NPC's generally scale with your ability. If you're in over your head, you can usually get away from standard NPC's... not so sleepers, so be careful with that Astero in wormholes!

Understand that the entire game is PvP. I have mondo respect for Memphis and the other vets here, but the game is NOT just ship to ship PvP. As was stated before, there's an entire 2/3rds of the game being missed with just ship to ship PvP. Resources/Industry/Marketing is the other part and it too is PvP. You are always in competition, it's just not all slinging slugs, light and high energy weapons at each other. Some players NEVER LEAVE DOCK! You don't even need to own a ship to play EVE but you are still fighting PvP. EVE is PvP, but that non-ship to ship combat PvP is often referred to as PvE, it's not, but relatively speaking it is as far as this game is concerned. Don't get stuck on it.

Lastly, my best advice is to have fun and not CARE about anything that may happen to your character... it's not you. Get blown up, I mean, grab your rookie ship (this is if you don't have expensive implants) fly to a null sec system and open fire on a ship 10x your size. Yup your ship is gonna die, practice getting your pod out, but when you realize that death is temporary, like most MMO's, then going ship to ship isn't as scary. The only reason the vets don't worry about it is that they've lost a thousand ships and it's ho-hum. Never fly what you can't afford to lose- this is the #1 rule of EVE. Try new stuff all the time, do it YOUR way, it doesn't matter if it's 100% effective or efficient so long as you have fun. Corps may not like that concept, but find one that does.

A word about gender. What you are as a person means nothing to what you bring to the table in EVE. There are coalitions of women in EVE. You can fly with almost all female players if you like. My advice to you is to find strength within yourself. EVE can crush people that can't adapt to the harsher play style of PvP the game has. Women have as much, if not more, strength internally than Men do. Find yours, don't care about talking over comms and creeps, you are giving them WAAAAAY too much power. The best way to deal with a stalker is to spotlight them and punch them in the nose (metaphorically speaking), never let creeps become stalkers. Stand up and take on all comers.

This is EVE... make it YOUR game.

Just some advice... newbie to newbie.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2016-04-12 02:01:19 UTC
Anna Price wrote:

Honestly though, I don't really want to just hang out with people in the game. I really just want to play the game, but being internet social while playing can be pretty fun. I have no problem playing solo in games although it is more fun to play with others. I guess it's because I'm very social irl, so I don't really have the need to talk to people while gaming. I just want to relax and have fun really :) I've tried raiding and stuff in games like wow, but I really don't want any responsibilities in a game anymore because I would never prioritize the game over doing something irl and it's so fun to just have a spontaneous party on a Tuesday or whatever - and I can't do that when I'm in a guild/corp that requires me to attend stuff. So I'm not looking for anything like that in this game, I would rather like to be able to just jump in and do stuff with people but be able to quit when I want

This game is perfect for you in that respect. You can be hardcore and play 18 hours per day or you can just log on to have fun and kill some time when you feel like it. This game is both casual and hardcore friendly.

I also raided in WoW and while the act of raiding with friends was fun the having to do it aspect especially on a schedule made it too much like a job for me. However I do understand that as people get older and get a family they need to schedule their leisure time. That is where things like Wednesday night bowling leagues come from and in that respect I guess WoW raiding would not be any different.

Anna Price wrote:

I don't have anything against you socially awkward guys as long as you don't talk to me all the time or say creepy things to me. And I totally get that it's fun for you guys to talk to a girl online if you're not really used to it. Just try to keep in mind that it's just a person and that she is probably tired of creepy guys coming on to her and showering her with attention. Just talk to her like you would talk to guys and you'll avoid scaring her away. Oh and please stop referring to women as females, it's kinda weird - no offense intended ;)

I've been me for quite a long time and I am comfortable with who I am. I'm not looking for anyone to be ok with me nor was I looking for advice on how to talk to women. I was more warning you that guys like me exist and we are awkward and this game is likely a haven for guys like that. I am willing to bet that there is a much higher percentage of people on the autism
spectrum in this game than in the population as a whole.

More back to the point is that just because there are creepy awkward guys out there does not mean that you can't find a corp of really cool people to play with, it just might take some effort and looking around. I'm sure most people here though would tell you that it's worth spending time and looking to find a group that you get along with.
Anna Price wrote:

Having some creepy guy you've just played with in a game call you several times a day on a phone number you didn't even give out is really creepy. When he says he's gonna move to your city it gets scary :(

Ok that's not awkward or creepy that is bordering on criminal. In a situation like that there is no need for you to be polite to someone who's gone out of their way to disrespect your privacy and flaunt it in your face. Be very clear and stern with someone like that and let them know you will escalate the situation legally speaking if they don't back off.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2016-04-12 02:16:38 UTC
Anna Price wrote:

do you think I could do some solo pvp at this point or is that harder? I understand that you can be useful in a fleet and that's really cool, but I want to try out some solo pvp too! :D

I am not a PvPer. However I know enough about this game to give an idea of how this works.

In other MMOs you need to get decked out in the best gear and be max level to even have a chance to do halfway decent at PvP.

In this game you need to understand the game very well to have a chance to do well in PvP especially solo PvP. Once you learn the game you can do well solo even on a low skill point alt.

So if getting good at this game requires knowledge that is gained from experience. If you can emotionally handle the losses then just getting a bunch of cheap ships and going out and PvPing solo is probably one of the fastest best ways to learn the game. But you need to be able to step back and analyze each fight to see where you could have done better and learn from each engagement.

The reason that most people can't do that is because the long string of losses is too much for most people's egos to handle. If you can do it that way then it might not be a bad way to learn.

So other PvPers have recommended recording engagements and playing them back at slower than real time speeds.

The thing that you have to understand is that there is no running back from the graveyard in this game. Each time that you loose a ship you have to buy and fit out a new one.

In WoW people can do not so well in a BG and find some way to convince themselves that they are the king of PvP. Any game with a quick and easy re-spawn mechanic can aid players in glossing over the losses and punctuating the wins.

Eve's looses are much more in your face and harder to ignore.

However there is the test server. You can log onto the test server and essentially get free ships and modules. There are systems there that I've heard people duel in so you can pick up 1 v 1s as well as an FFA system. The rules are a little different on SiSi and if you are new you'll have to get your character mirrored. Also there's not many peole on SiSi usually.

However it is a place that you can go to test stuff out for free. Well not free but every module and ship costs 100 isk and if you insure your ship you can make isk with each loss. Of course it all get's wiped each time the server is mirrored but it's just a test server.

Anyway I'm sure some PvPers will be by with better advice on this.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2016-04-12 02:30:02 UTC
Anna Price wrote:
Feel free to ignore this as it's a bit offtopic, but I just thought I would elaborate a bit on my last point as I see guys talking about it in every game. Also it's a bit of a rant so sorry about that :P

In the last couple of years I haven't spoken on voice communication in games due to reasons mentioned earlier. But I've always felt like I had to explain myself

If you don't want to explain yourself then don't.

Just look for a decent group of people and you'll find them. You just need to look. If people are treating you in a way that you don't like then move on. This is internet spaceships after all no need to take things too seriously.

Again there is a group of girls that play this game and support each other. I recommend that you find them and get in their girls only chat channel and ask them for advice on topics like this.

I believe that Mynxee is one of the more prominent real life girls who plays this game. You might want to get in touch with her if you are looking to connect with other girls playing this game.

If my memory is correct she once was a hardcore pirate type and then a CSM member and now a peaceful explorer. But that's all coming off the top of my head so it could be incorrect.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
#28 - 2016-04-12 02:39:18 UTC
If you're interested in PvP look up Dian Lung. Smile

@lunettelulu7

Cara Forelli
State War Academy
Caldari State
#29 - 2016-04-12 03:40:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Cara Forelli
Anna Price wrote:
Again sorry about this, I'm sure most of you do not have this attitude - but I've just seen it way to much and felt like Cara Forelli implied it to some degree (I might be wrong though as I was just drinking with a friend, so I'm not entirely sober - so sorry if I'm mistaken)

EVE is not like other games. You have to be very careful who you place trust in. Today, for instance, a director-level spy released chat logs which included some very nasty statements made by the leader of the single largest coalition in the game. The things he said will undoubtedly cause thousands of players to defect from his cause and will probably cost him World War Bee, all because he put trust in someone who was not who they claimed to be.

There are many reasons people lie about who they are in EVE, and none of them make good additions to a secure corp. Older players pretend to be new players to worm their way into soft-target organizations and awox them. Members of rival alliances masquerade as neutral parties looking for a group to join so they can infiltrate your ranks and collect intel. However, these things are much harder to do when voice comms are required, so the first thing people do is come up with some excuse to avoid them.

Tiffany was a prime example of this. The caricature of "dumb blonde female newbie" he/she crafted was actually offensive at times. Around the time of the watchlist changes (which made it much harder to fight highsec wars effectively without spies) there was a whole rash of suspicious looking threads in this forum and elsewhere from people like this who were trying to establish a "background" as a new character, some more subtle than others.

If you aren't a Tiffany, congratulations, you have a firm enough grasp on many aspects of the game to make me suspicious. Take that as a compliment - you're a fast learner! If you are a Tiffany, well, you haven't fooled me...yet Big smile

As for your particular issue with voice comms, it is understandable, but from the recruiters standpoint, it isn't worth the risk. If you really are a "female" (why are we putting this in quotes?) then you have a legitimate concern, but the recruiter really has no way of knowing if that's true or if you actually intend their organization harm (no matter your gender). Generally they will err on the side of caution. Some well-meaning people will get turned away, but that's the price you pay for corp security. I have seen plenty of "males" rejected for refusing to use voice comms.

And just so you know, I really am sympathetic to your specific issue. Believe it or not, as a "male" I once experienced the same issue - a very creepy (and sometimes violent) guy got quite attached to me and started trying to learn my personal details, constantly making comments about coming to my home etc. I can only imagine how much worse it is as a "female" in a bad organization where this sort of thing is tolerated. However, in my experience, there are actually plenty of groups in EVE which will swiftly boot people acting this way, you just need to find one.

Although you will need somewhat tough skin; you are usually playing the game with a bunch of drunk men after all. Big smile

TLDR: Try and try again until you find a corp not filled with creeps. Demanding special accommodation (no voice comms) is likely to exclude you from the better groups. It's not personal, it's just EVE.

TLDR2: It doesn't matter who you are, as long as it matches who you claim to be.

"femalefemalefemale"

Want to talk? Join my channel in game: House Forelli

Titan's Lament

Anna Price
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#30 - 2016-04-12 13:11:57 UTC
Thanks again for your wonderful replies <3

Tipa Riot: That sounds really nice! I'll look into that at some point definitely :D

Memphis Baas: I actually like the fact that Eve is much more hostile in the game than other MMOs. I abhor ganking and griefing in other MMOs, but that is because there is simply no point in doing that sort of thing except for making life miserable for others. But here it's expected and you can make money of killing newbies mining or scamming, or whatever - and that actually seem sort of fun. As you can be a bad person and actually get rewarded for it, so it's basically just another way of playing the game and everyone expects it to happen. Now this makes people much more suspicious, and people being nice and helping you out in game actually is the exception rather than the norm. So those people stand out in a much bigger way. But out of game, and in corps (I guess) - the community is very helpful and friendly, and I love that!

Ohh, that is crazy. I don't think I could ever do well as a spy, because it seems so stressful. But it's really unique that the game allows you to do things like that. I totally get that people might be suspicious when the game is like that. Good points about the creeps :)

Lulu Lunette: I can listen to comms, I just don't want to talk on them :) I see that Dian lung is in a women only pirate corp - I'll definitely check that out! :)

hurmurflUr: That seems like a really good idea. The only thing that holds me back from doing something like that at the moment is my implants really (I think you lose them if you die?). I've only lost my ship to pvp once, but didn't lose my pod then. Maybe I should just do that for like a few days and then replace the implants. At some point I'm going to die anyway, might as well get some experience. When I've travelled in wormholes I've tried looking up all the ships I see on D-scan so that I can learn what they are. There are so many ships so I got a lot to learn, but at least I know a few things to avoid :)

Pandora Carrollon: I'm definitely socially adept. But I prefer to do like you say, get some idea how the game works before jumping into a corp. I also enjoy to some extent to just figure out things on my own. I've read a lot on Eve uni for instance, there is just so much good information there. And some things I've just tried and failed and learning from my mistakes like I did with exploration at first.

Good idea about the astero. I read up on lots of different fits and were torn whether to build it just for exploration (like warp stabilizers so I can get away quickly) or build it for both exploration and for killing other explorers (which was what I went with). Felt that paying 100 mill just to get a covops cloaking device and 5 more virus strength felt a bit much, I hardly ever die in my heron anyway. The main appeal is that I can kill other explorers imo. I want to try it out on some npcs before engaging players with it though. I don't really understand how drones work, but I'm sure I'll figure it out after trying to fight some npcs.

Thanks for your advice, really appreciate it :)

ergherhdfgh: Yeah that's what I'm just so tired of. Just about all MMOs I've played in end game, I have to do things that after a while feels like a job. So that you don't need to deal with that in Eve is perfect :D

Sorry! I did not mean to be presumptuous. Just wanted to explain how I felt about socially awkward guys. Yeah I'm sure I'll find lots of nice people :)

Yeah I wasn't polite when it came to that point. I tend to ignore or just laugh away stuff that feels weird, or just imply that I don't like it (which not everyone get :|). Not really a confrontational person, and some guys just think that if I don't tell them right away that they're being weird or that I want them to go away, means that I like it. When stuff really crosses the line I don't have a problem saying something though. There are guys that don't take no as a no though, don't think I really mean it. But I definitely do :(

Yeah I want to try doing that - as long as t he ships are cheap I don't think it will be a problem to lose them. Ego is not something I have a problem with, especially not as a new player. Like 99% of the players in this game likely have both more experience and are much better at the game than me - and I totally realize that. I just want to get more skilled :)

I've seen so much of ego problems in other games. If they die, then they are either outnumbered, outgeared, or their opponents class is OP. It's never about skill for them :P

I saw that she was in signal cartel and as I've heard so many recommendations to join them - I'm seriously considering to do so. The only problem is that I can't do any pvp. So I guess I just need to figure out what to do. I might be able to join one corp and do some things, then leave and join another to experience a different aspect of the game. I don't feel the need to just play with other girls, playing with guys is totally fine - I just don't want to be harassed :)

Anna Price
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#31 - 2016-04-12 13:36:59 UTC
Cara Forelli: wow that seems pretty crazy! I totally get your point though, just didn't realize that spies were as widespread as that. I read a bit in the Tiffany thread, and she seemed really strange. I would've gotten suspicious there as well. I totally get people's suspicion now. I see that many corps require an API key, and hopefully that will help others believe that I'm not a spy :)

Thanks! Whenever I start playing a new game I always read up on a lot of stuff to get to know the game better. When you are new you tend to make so many mistakes and do things really inefficiently. So I try to avoid making mistakes like that. The first few days I hardly even played, just read so many articles and a lot on eve uni. It helped me get started really well. Over the last 5 years I did try out Eve two times, and both times I quit within an hour because it just seemed too complex. I was determined to not let that happen this time, and I really like the game now :D

I'm sorry for misinterpreting what you said in your previous post. The reason I wrote "females" is that I felt that sentence was sort of offensive. Almost sounds like they are animals :P "the females were treated well". I guess I just have a bit of a problem with the word female, it's almost exclusively used by guys. It's a bit dehumanizing and just feels weird - I mean who even talks about men in the same way. Like: "I like the males in this corp, they seem nice". But I'm sure you didn't mean it that way :) So sorry again!

Yeah it's very scary, and especially since I've had an experience in real life which makes me really afraid when things like that happen (don't want to go into that here though). I'll try to find a corp that doesn't require voice comms, but maybe after a while I might buy a mic and try it out if it feels safe (threw the old one out like years ago). I'm sure I'll find a good corp!

Yeah! I'm used to playing with drunk men so I can put up with a lot haha :D Thanks a lot for your advice, really appreciate it! :)
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2016-04-12 17:30:43 UTC
Never ever talk about (important, recognizable) personal real life stuff in chat, Eve mails, comms, in game or 3rd party tools wherever. Expect every chat, mail being logged and scanned and all comms recorded. Fleet comms will be on YouTube regularly! I always feel ashamed about my BS talk on fleet comms later, I had remembered totally different UghBlink.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Memphis Baas
#33 - 2016-04-12 18:52:11 UTC
In the interest of full disclosure, whenever you connect to a server via the internet, that server can record your IP address.

You can trust CCP, and we trust a number of EVE sites, including all of Chribba's, EVE University, etc., but basically if the corp you join has an out-of-game forum that's hosted on a private server, they'll know your IP address. And with that, they can geolocate you with relatively good accuracy.

If this is an issue, you'll have to disguise your traffic through a VPN Service. Appear to be in China or whatever, at least for their forums.

Of course, because of the spy situation, some corps outright ban VPN users.
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2016-04-13 11:01:30 UTC
Anna Price wrote:

hurmurflUr: That seems like a really good idea. The only thing that holds me back from doing something like that at the moment is my implants really (I think you lose them if you die?). I've only lost my ship to pvp once, but didn't lose my pod then. Maybe I should just do that for like a few days and then replace the implants. At some point I'm going to die anyway, might as well get some experience. When I've travelled in wormholes I've tried looking up all the ships I see on D-scan so that I can learn what they are. There are so many ships so I got a lot to learn, but at least I know a few things to avoid :)

You can get a jump clone so that you can jump out of the pod with implants and into a pod with no or cheap implants and then jump back. You can only clone jump once every 19-24 hours ( time is skill dependent ) but it is an option for not loosing expensive implants.

If you learn how to get your pod out your pod is fairly safe in high and low sec as long as you know what you are doing. Bubbles in null and wormhole space are a totally different story. Also cov ops cloakies are huge in wormhole space. Also I should note that one of the tech 2 recon ships for each race does not show up on D scan.

Anna Price wrote:

Good idea about the astero. I read up on lots of different fits and were torn whether to build it just for exploration (like warp stabilizers

Just a quick note about stabs: they mess up your lock range and increase your lock time. They are not by any means useless but I feel those considerations are important when deciding how to fit and fly your ship.
Anna Price wrote:

ergherhdfgh: Yeah that's what I'm just so tired of. Just about all MMOs I've played in end game, I have to do things that after a while feels like a job. So that you don't need to deal with that in Eve is perfect :D

There is no "end game" in Eve. Your tastes and playstyle may change over time. You might set goals for yourself and achieve them. But there is no inherent end game.

A few years back CCP introduced incursions and a lot of people seem to be of the opinion that incursions were introduced to be Eve's version of raiding. Without going into a long discussion on how Eve should not and can not have a raiding equivalent, I just would like to make a comment or two on them.

There is no set mechanic around incursion fleets, however communities have risen up around them. What I am going to say here is how those communities operate and now how the game it's self makes people operate.

So the way most incursion fleets work is that you get put on a waiting list which is first come first serve. You wait until there is room for you in fleet then you join fleet and run incursions until you want to leave. Often if the wait list gets big enough to start another fleet then someone will.

I am sure that if you wanted to you could get a group of people to commit to a weekly incursion fleet and make it job like if you wanted but there is nothing in the game that encourages that.

If you get involved in sov warfare or a corp that has assets to protect there are timers. For example you could have an opponent put one of your POSs into a reinforced timer and then that sets a specific time when it comes out and you guys can fight over it. Some hardcore players set alarm clocks for stuff like that.

On the flip side of that I've heard of players getting involved in huge null sec sov battles and then having to leave to go to work and then coming back home after work and jumping right back into the same fight that is still raging.

Want to talk? Join Cara's channel in game: House Forelli

Anna Price
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2016-04-13 20:08:11 UTC
Tipa Riot:Not planning on talking much about my important personal real life stuff in the game :) But that's crazy!! That people are logging and recording stuff.

Memphis Baas: Can people do anything with my IP address besides trying that geolocate site? That link found my country but not the correct city - but even if they would've found my city, they wouldn't be able to locate me from knowing that. So I don't think that is a big problem is it? Thanks for the VPN advice, but I doubt it will be necessary to keep my city hidden from people :)

ergherhdfgh wow I didn't know that. Going to do try jump cloning, what a great idea :) What do you mean by getting your pod out? And bubbles in null and wormholes (don't know what bubbles are)?

I don't think I would use warp stabilizers if I planned on doing pvp. I use one in my heron just to be able to get away. But the one time I died it didn't work (I guess that person had something that could overcome it). It has worked before though.

I haven't tried incursions yet, but might give them a try :) I haven't looked into POSs or sov warfare, so I don't really know much about it - but sounds interesting :)
Dani Gallar
Doomheim
#36 - 2016-04-13 21:20:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Dani Gallar
'Getting your pod out' is esentially make sure that you warp away right when your ship is destroyed so that the attacker doesn´t get to pod you (and kill your implants). Since it's unlikely anyone can kill your ship with one volley it's advicable to align your ship to a celestial when doing a hack. By doing so you will be able to immediatly warp of to the chosen celestial if you spot a threat on D-scan or if outside of Wormolhe Space you see a threat in Local.

Now if you still get ganked by a hidden threat (Stealth Bomber waiting to ambush at a Relic/Data site or something simillar) by being aligned to a celestial you can still ensure that your Pod is saved since it will take time for the attacker to lock on to your small Pod after your ship have been destroyed.

'Bubbles' (or Warp Bubbles) can be placed by players in Null/WH-space (they are forbidden in other areas) and if you enter one you can´t warp away, it's one of the reasons why Wormholes and Nullspace is much more dangerous for Explorers.

On Warpcore Stabs I would say they aren´t worth it ... they make your targeting horrible and can be overcome by Warp Scramblers/Disruptors which most dedicated 'Hunters' will have enough of to catch you. The only T1 exploration Frigate I guess Warpcore Stabs could be worth it on is the Amarr's Magnate since you can have 4 of them in it's 4 low slots.

I choose Nanofiber Internal Structure mods to go in my low-slots since they make exploring sites quicker due to quicker aligning and increased sub-warp speed. The T1 exploration ships are paper thin anyway so the decreased HP doesn´t make much of a difference. When it comes to fit T2 exploration ships or the more versatile SoE ships I guess other options are better though.
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2016-04-13 22:21:35 UTC
Anna Price wrote:
Hi! :)

I've been playing for almost two weeks now I think, and I really like the game so far!

I started out doing the career missions and the sisters epic questline, and the last days have been spent getting into exploring. I really like exploring (and I've got like 350kk isk out of it so far), but would like some ideas on something else to do as well. I imagine it will get quite boring if that is the only thing I do. The missions I've done so far (sisters epic) didn't really give much isk, but it was kinda fun ^^ I guess you get more isk from harder missions, but I'm not sure how to get into that as I heard that mission running doesn't really give you much isk unless you do the hardest ones, which requires heavy skill investment and a lot of isk to do. Mining seems ok as well, but I heard that it's no point to do unless you have heavy skill investment and multibox in null sec (so not for me I guess). I would like to mention that getting a lot of isk is not my goal, I honestly just want to have fun - but doing really inefficient activities that isn't super fun probably will probably make me dislike the activity after some time.

I've tried to generalize a bit for my skills by following a plan on eve uni, and I've also invested a bit in exploring as that has been my primary activity the last week. So I'm looking for some advice on trying some other aspects of Eve, any ideas? Also any skill recommendations would be appreciated :)


Are you interested in cooperatively playing with other people?
If not, why not?
If yes, have you attempted to join a group?
If not, why not?
If yes, were you successful in doing so?
If not, why not?
If yes, they're you're best bet on advice for what to do next. :)
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2016-04-13 23:02:22 UTC
Anna Price wrote:

ergherhdfgh wow I didn't know that. Going to do try jump cloning, what a great idea :) What do you mean by getting your pod out? And bubbles in null and wormholes (don't know what bubbles are)?

when you know that you are going to loose a ship you click something on your overview tab which you often have set up for just such an occasion and spam warp to so that as soon as you loose your ship you warp out of combat.

In 0.0 space ( null and WH ) players can use interdiction spheres which stop things that are inside of them from warping. They look like bubbles thus they are called warp bubbles or just bubbles for short. Interceptors and some T3 cruisers are "bubble free" meaning they don't get caught in bubbles.

If you are really curious jump into a clone with no implants and get in a starter ship and roam around null. You will run into a bubble sooner or later.
Anna Price wrote:

I don't think I would use warp stabilizers if I planned on doing pvp. I use one in my heron just to be able to get away. But the one time I died it didn't work (I guess that person had something that could overcome it). It has worked before though.

I tried exploration in a ship with stabs in the lows. My targetting range was so short that I pretty much had to be in hacking range before I could start targetting and it took a much longer time to target. That kept my exposure time in the site much longer than it needed to be. To me I felt I was better off running the site faster than wasting time with stabs. Of course that was just my opinion.
Anna Price wrote:

I haven't tried incursions yet, but might give them a try :) I haven't looked into POSs or sov warfare, so I don't really know much about it - but sounds interesting :)

I was not recommending you try them. I was just pointing out that it is the closest thing you will find in Eve to WoW raiding and requires no commitment and it totally causal friendly.

I'm not telling you to not do them either. I tried them and did not like them. Far too repetitive for my tastes. However other seem to like them.

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JackknifedII
The Congregation
RAPID HEAVY ROPERS
#39 - 2016-04-14 13:42:24 UTC
hurgmurflUr wrote:
Anna Price wrote:

Just one more question - do you think I could do some solo pvp at this point or is that harder? I understand that you can be useful in a fleet and that's really cool, but I want to try out some solo pvp too! :D




It's harder but you can absolutely do it.

If you want to get a feel for solo pvp I'd suggest fitting up a bunch of cheap T1 frigates, flying out to low/null, and shooting at whatever moves. You'll almost certainly die horribly, but if you do it enough you'll figure out the mechanics, and learn how to pick targets that you might stand a chance against.

Plus you'll get used to dying which is usually a common experience for a solo pvp'er.



I will 2nd this post. PvP has become the only thing I really enjoy in this game, and it took me about 7 years to realize that 0_o.

You can pvp solo with extremely low SP in 2 ways. You can throw cheap ships at it over and over again until you have a few kills. OR (if you like this kind of thing), do some research about common fits, learn their weakness and strengths, learn their effective ranges and damage types, fit your own ships accordingly and pick your targets wisely. I would go for option 2.


It's worth remembering that a good number of people who pvp have almost no idea what they are doing. Killboards are actually extremely useful for picking fights and working out your own fits. A well thought out frigate in carefully chosen fights will last a surprisingly long time.

Have the same approach when looking for a corp. look around for people who enjoy the same in game activities that you do, people who will show you more of the game and spend time making sure you have help when you need it. Don't just rush head first into joining anyone. You will find that the corps who are selective and approachable, have far fewer members who sit in the basement eating cheetos and go giddy at the thought of talking to a lady.

Minmatar....we are generally unpleasant to be around....

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Always recruiting

Anna Price
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2016-04-15 11:20:29 UTC
Thanks for the advice, I really appreciate it <3
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