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What Is The Point In Mining?....
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Rhonda Monty
Temporal Progeny
#1 - 2012-01-13 03:34:12 UTC
At this point in the history of this game I honestly do not understand why anyone would want to mine or train all the skills to become good at mining. Where ever you go in EvE these days, it seems it’s just a matter of time before being harassed in some way weather its suicide ganking or people stealing from your jet can it just seems like you really end up losing more isk then you can make…..sooooo what is the point? Loose a few Mac’s get kill rights on some guys that suicide ganked you….now what? Try and kill them with an industrial character that isn’t trained for PvP? Oh oh no that’s right put a BOUNTY on them! Yea that’s it, so then the guy that ganked you and his buddy can fly to 0.0 and blow up a cheap ship to split the isk you just put on his head. The whole mining aspect of this game just seems broken and pointless to me and with the amount of obvious MACROING going on out there it’s no surprise to me that EvE is losing subscribers and CCP is laying off employees…..WAIT WAIT! Mining can be fun! Just train up some more alts to be logi pilots so they can constantly remote rep your ship and maybe you will be able to hold out against those suicide gankers! lol


o.k so now that I have made my smart ass comments, please please give me yours Lol
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#2 - 2012-01-13 03:36:17 UTC
I do it because it reminds me and lets me reflect on why I lost my combat ship last time.

Other than that money isnt that good I rather hardcore PI than to mine.

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Gorongo Frostfyr
#3 - 2012-01-13 03:36:46 UTC
free minerals
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#4 - 2012-01-13 03:41:57 UTC
You can gank all of the miners some of the time
And you can gank some of the miners all of the time
But you can't gank all of the miners all of the time
'Cause who's gonna mine the ore?

Oh wait...

*on a more serious note, if you are getting ganked you are not being careful enough.

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Rhonda Monty
Temporal Progeny
#5 - 2012-01-13 03:49:52 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:


Oh wait...

*on a more serious note, if you are getting ganked you are not being careful enough.



Any suggestions for being more careful besides, (flagging all the baddies in my contacts so i see them is local as soon as they are there) (using a trial account with really low sec status to constantly "kite" concord to the belt) (using another account with a logistics ship to rep your barge).....i'm serious if anyone has any good ideas or ways for the common miner to actually mine, please do tell :)
Velarra
#6 - 2012-01-13 03:50:01 UTC
"why anyone would want to mine"

Set up and log into the Singularity test server, get ship with mining lasers. Alt-tab out, & read news sites / forums, listen to music. Enjoy the white noise of mining and relax before heading off to sleep at the end of a long day.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#7 - 2012-01-13 03:51:41 UTC
rocks don't shoot back
gfldex
#8 - 2012-01-13 03:55:15 UTC
There are plenty of combat missions with fairly large roids. The fine gentlemen who shoot miners for sports usually don't bother to probe for barges in missions. And be happy they do something about your competitors. When I started the game Isogen sold for 180 ISK/Unit.

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Rhonda Monty
Temporal Progeny
#9 - 2012-01-13 03:59:09 UTC
Velarra wrote:
"Enjoy the white noise of mining and relax before heading off to sleep at the end of a long day.




Hahahahaha! Awesome, totally gonna try that,....now i know why i haven't been sleeping well lately, its because I'm not doing this before bed ritual!
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#10 - 2012-01-13 04:02:14 UTC
Rhonda Monty wrote:
MadMuppet wrote:


Oh wait...

*on a more serious note, if you are getting ganked you are not being careful enough.



Any suggestions for being more careful besides, (flagging all the baddies in my contacts so i see them is local as soon as they are there) (using a trial account with really low sec status to constantly "kite" concord to the belt) (using another account with a logistics ship to rep your barge).....i'm serious if anyone has any good ideas or ways for the common miner to actually mine, please do tell :)


Mine in systems that are not near trade hubs
Mine in large systems at remote belts (off the transit paths)
Keep aligned ot a safe spot or station at at 75% speed (you back peddle when nobody is around)
Pay attention to local and your D-scan
If you must jet-can, do so at a nearby safespot rather than in the belt
Mine from the 'back side' of the belt from common approach vectors to put the asteroids between you and the enemy.
Change systems often, change belts often, don't be predictable.

I know it sounds like work, but most people are looking for easy kills.


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Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#11 - 2012-01-13 04:11:02 UTC
People mine to get minerals.

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Rhonda Monty
Temporal Progeny
#12 - 2012-01-13 04:12:22 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:


Mine in systems that are not near trade hubs
Mine in large systems at remote belts (off the transit paths)
Keep aligned ot a safe spot or station at at 75% speed (you back peddle when nobody is around)
Pay attention to local and your D-scan
If you must jet-can, do so at a nearby safespot rather than in the belt
Mine from the 'back side' of the belt from common approach vectors to put the asteroids between you and the enemy.
Change systems often, change belts often, don't be predictable.

I know it sounds like work, but most people are looking for easy kills.





Sweet,... i totally didnt think of some of thoes ideas, thanks :)
Atticus Fynch
#13 - 2012-01-13 04:15:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Atticus Fynch
Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:
free minerals



^this

Mining isnt for players with A.D.D.,..and based n the many complaints on mining here, Id say that's the majority of you.

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#14 - 2012-01-13 04:27:48 UTC
Atticus Fynch wrote:
Gorongo Frostfyr wrote:
free minerals



^this

Mining isnt for players with A.D.D.,..and based n the many complaints on mining here, Id say that's the majority of you.

They aren't free.

Unless you mine in a rookie ship... and even then time is still spent (a lot of time int hat case).
Rhonda Monty
Temporal Progeny
#15 - 2012-01-13 04:28:55 UTC
yea i guess the answer is : If making some isk in EvE is your goal, don't invest your time / effort in mining, because for the same amount of time / effort elsewhere you will make WAY more isk with less risk....imo
ASadOldGit
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-01-13 04:28:57 UTC
Personally, I think the whole mining industry needs reworking, especially to remove its AFK-ness.

I realise that some people like that style of play, and I'm not trying to force you to play it "my way", but I find it hard to believe that a game designer would intentionally design a game that can be played while you're not there - that's not you playing, it's the computer playing.

They want you at your keyboard, interacting with the game, and, in the case of an MMO, preferably interacting with other players.
(This is not directed at those miners who get together for a good ol' yarn; that is player interaction.)

I can think of 3 types of miner:

  1. The beginner who thinks that mining is a quick, easy way to get a bit of ISK;
  2. Those who are genuinely interested in industry and the chain of production;
  3. Those who only adopt it because it's something they can do while watching TV / reading a book.

The first two should be encouraged with engaging, rewarding gameplay, because they're actively interacting with the universe; the last one just doesn't seem valid for an online MMO. Whether or not it should be outright banned, or just made less rewarding, or any of a dozen other solutions, I couldn't say.

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Atticus Fynch
#17 - 2012-01-13 04:34:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Atticus Fynch
I actually enjoy mining. It's relaxing. Mine the ore. Build it up then ship it all for a nice price or use it for your own manufacturing. So I dont know what all the complaining is about.

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Rhonda Monty
Temporal Progeny
#18 - 2012-01-13 04:37:47 UTC
Atticus Fynch wrote:
I actually enjoy mining. It's relaxing. Mine the ore. Build it up then ship it all for a nice price or use it for your own manufacturing. So I dont know what all the complaining is about.




man! i gotta find out where you are mining so i stop loosing so many barges! Lol
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-01-13 04:38:45 UTC
Without a good population of miners, ship prices would skyrocket over time.

You see miners get minerals which make ships.

The ships are then sold based on supply and demand

The ships go blow up other ships.

The ships are all eventually destroyed, which requires more minerals to be mined.

It is the cycle of EVE

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Atticus Fynch
#20 - 2012-01-13 04:40:25 UTC
Rhonda Monty wrote:
Atticus Fynch wrote:
I actually enjoy mining. It's relaxing. Mine the ore. Build it up then ship it all for a nice price or use it for your own manufacturing. So I dont know what all the complaining is about.




man! i gotta find out where you are mining so i stop loosing so many barges! Lol


Scout out the quiet areas of New Eden. There are areas that have very little traffic. Keep an eye on local to see how many people are around. It takes some scouting, but once you find these places, they are gold.

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