EVE New Citizens Q&A

My 2 friends and I went on a Rifter roam the other night, trying to get into the PvP aspect of EvE . We had been leery of even trying to PvP but figured what the hell, it is only pixels, and ratting for an hour in high sec could get us 10 more fitted Rifters.

We were expecting to get popped every time we went into a system and were pleasantly surprised to find we the only ones in many low sec systems and even a few null sec systems.

And in many systems no one would come out and play (ie kill our 2 week old characters in T1 Rifter fits).

Fake edit for full disclosure : One of us is several months old but never PvP’ed before, though I guess no one would know that.

It was a blast when we did find someone and the adrenaline rush is awesome for a carebear and his first trigger pull on another player. (stupid gate guns)

We are still confused about aggression mechanics and all the searching didn’t seem to answer our questions, so I have 2 questions to ask.

First question / inquiry :
We can flipped someone in high sec to draw fire from him, which we did (after he switched ships).

I was under the impression that if someone fired at our corp mate (even if "legally"), we could then fire on that person. Concord let us know differently. Or did we fire to soon?

Or did we just get it wrong and cant open fire on someone who “legally’ shot at my can flipping corp mate.

The second question concerns low and null. In most of the systems there was no one, or one to three people in local, but D-scan showed many more ships than the number of people in local.

Reading posts here in the forums I hear people asking for delayed local, so I am under the impression that it is not currently like that in K-space, hence wondering why there are more ships (not wrecks, but ships like Drakes and other ship types known to me) than there are people in local.

In conclusion I would like to encourage every carebear like me to at least give PvP a try. The rush is awesome and though I have lost 10 T1 Rifters in 2 weeks, I made enough in 1 hour of L4 ratting to replace them easily, and got some mods as drops.

Thank you if you read all my drivel.

Fake edit #2 : The people that smoked us have all been very kind and helpful when I talked to them, something I wasn't expecting from reading these forums. Some even initiated the conversation with advice and fitting links.

That is not correct, it's only when someone steals from a corp mate that everyone can fire on him



These are ships that are either abandoned with no pilots in them (very unlikely) or they are ships sitting in a starbase forcefield, also unmanned, but unaccessible to you as the starbase forcefield keeps you out and the starabase itself probably has lots of guns.

This is true, but only if you're in the same player corp, NPC corps don't count. So if you're all still in NPC corps, that's your problem right there. You need to either join up with or form a player corp in order for all of you to be able to aggress on someone who aggresses you first without Concord interference.

On question 1:

When you can-flip someone, their entire corporation (only if they are in a player corp) can shoot the person that canflipped the guy

So if in your group you have 3 players (Player A, B and C) and you (player A) can-flip a player X who is in a player corp, the entire corp of Player X can shoot player A.

If they shoot Player A only Player A is able to shoot back without CONCORD actions, player B and C have to wait till someone shoots them (which in terms means the aggressor gets CONCORD on it's ass as he has no right to shoot you).

There are ways to move around this, the most easy is can baiting: You steal stuff from his can and drop it in your own can hoping he will take it back, if he does this all players that are in the same corp as the guy who dropped the bait can can shoot Player X.
*If they guy is any decent jet-can miner he will take his loss and move on mining or knows the aggro mechanics so know the guy who flipped him is on it's own*

On question 2:

You probably saw floating ships that are inside the forcefield of a POS (Player Owned Structure). This is mainly used to deceive players running D-scans to find out what ships people are flying. As you stated you saw 3 people in local that weren't with you but more different ships on scan, this means you can't pinpoint what type of ships those 3 are actually flying. If they didn't do this you will get a scan result reporting 3 (or maybe 6, if your gang isn't cloaked) ships on scan and you will know which ships they are flying.

To conclude: Keep up the good work. Not many newer players think about EVE you are doing. To most ISK and their precious ships are holy and should not be touched while actually ISK and ships are only just tools to help you to do what you want. If this means getting them blown up, so be it and you actually understand that. I hope in the future we might cross each other and it will come to a nice decent fight (may the best win of course).

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Tip on can-baiting / high-sec canflipping PvP:

There is a nice way to get fights with can flippers (might need a 4th character to play with), here is how it works

Player A, B, C are the pvp ships, player D is a miner. Player A, B, C are in the same corp and are cloaked in the belt. Player D is in another player corp in a mining ship (can be NPC corp, but player corp works better as NPC corp tickers are generally known by people). If you have your own corps for this you can make the tickers look very similar.

What you do is let player A, B, C drop a can with some ores in it in a belt and then cloak up at distance from the can. Then player D comes in and start mining and drops stuff in the can (putting stuff in someone's can isn't stealing but donating and don't get you kill rights). If your lucky a can flipper comes along and doesn't notice that the can doesn't actually belongs to the miner but to player A. When he flips he will show up flashy red (killable) to Players A, B and C. This is when you de-cloak and start shooting the guy. He will expect to have CONCORD show up soon to help him but they won't. If you do this properly it will mean he goes home with a nice explosion and you got a kill. Best after doing this 1 or 2 times in a system to move to another as like miners, flippers keep each other updated.

EDIT: This can be done with 3 toons, you will have 2 PvP toons and 1 miner toon. You can also do it within 1 corp so that the miner can actually join in the fight. You fit the miner with 1 laser but for the rest to be PvP fitted (ECM, webs and scrams, maybe even a gun) as long as you use that 1 laser to pretend it is actually mining.

EDIT2: Don't by any chance to this in one of the starting systems (the systems where the tutorials are done or where the career agents are located) as this is one of the few grieving offences that will get you banned from EVE when done in starting systems.

Thanks for the information and replies, and thanks Gerrick & J'Poll for the explanation, it will really help us.

I never thought I would get such a kick out of trying to explode the ships of others.

We are in a player corp, and I think this is what led to my initial assumption that if you shoot one of us, you can be violenced by all of us.

Concord is a hard task master.

Fly safe and wave at my pod when you see it