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And the problem with this proposal is the reward is so massively out-of-whack with anything else you can do, you rationally have no choice but to do them. If you log in and the first thing you do not do is undock all your alts and go shoot a single rat, you are playing the game wrong. Any other choice is leaving too much on the table. The SP rewards are so large compared to any other activity whether you farm the SP to sell, or use it directly to progress you character, you have no choice but put aside whatever else you were planning, and head out by yourself hunting an NPC for no greater purpose.

Training skills the normal way is also a "choice" as you can leave your queue inactive but no one would argue that is a good way to play the game. The utility of these bonus SP is likewise so much better than anything else you can earn in the game, doing them is mandatory if your goal is to progress your character. If we are going to intrude so drastically on the "sandbox" concept and player freedom by skewing the rewards this way, do we really want the activity we are forcing the players to do to be shooting rats in belts by themselves? It would seem to me that there are better activities to push players to do than solo ratting, activities that might result in player interactions which add value to the greater universe.

CCP, if you want to reward activity like you claim, then reward activity. If you want to reward undocking, the give some SP bonus for being in space. If you want to force players to drop whatever other game activity they were planning to enjoy and instead spend it logging multiple characters in and out and shooting rats by themselves, arguably the two least interesting parts of your game, then go with this proposal.

Yea i'm totally against this.

If I wanted to play a traditional MMO i'll play WoW or Guildwars.

If I want to play eve i'll play eve damn it! Stop destroying the foundations of SP gain! First it was the BS with skill injectors/extractors and now dailies that reward SP?? Sadly this is going to get implemented if we protest or not, just like before.

How about working to fix broken aspects of the game before you go on the crazy train!!

Sigh. Just sigh.


Once upon a time skill points (SPs) could only be earned over time and were the testament to the choices you made (some good, some bad) as you and your character learned and grew in EVE. And we were told repeatedly that was one of the fundamental things that made EVE different.

We started down the slippery slope with skill extractors and injectors. As a result, SPs are just another form of currency along with ISK and Aurum and LPs. And now we have this proposal - I am not surprised; just disappointed.


I don't like this proposal as I don't believe that it will contribute to meaningful daily activity.

I don't like it because it promotes a feeling of loss if you don't do it which is a crappy way to incent people to do things (I want people logging into EVE for positive reasons).

I don't like it because its another idea dropped on the player base out of the blue with no background, rationale, analysis or logic provided. I could go on here but this horse died some time ago and I really shouldn't hit it any more.



“This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.”

Given my usual routine (killing many NPCs every day), this idea would mean that Ish would be saving herself to buy 1 skill injector each 30 days. That's one nice premium of some 15 milion ISK/day and I would like getting it... apparently unlike all the *cough* "PvErs" *cough* pretending that they would hate being rewarded for their alleged playstyle.

I can figure how did this SP handout became a idea since CCP wants to reward people for being active, and there's only so many rewards they can give.

ISK would not cut it, since PvErs already are earning ISK. Plus, would become another faucet in the game.

Modules also woudn't cut it, either they would compete with players or would be useless junk. And there's already a module faucet via loot.

LP could be an alternative, but then not all LP are equal as they are bound to NPC corporations. Should players be free to pick the corporation...?

AUR are out of question since CCP sells AUR, so giving them for free is a no-no.

This leaves CCP with skill points, which have the advantage that the "giving free SP to player" part has been coded into EVE for years. Also they escalate well: 10,000 SP mean more to a new player than to a veteran player, skill wise, but also mean more to a veteran player than to a new player in terms of saving skill injection costs.

So, if rewarding players for being active ingame is a given, handing SP once a day is a good suggestion. We could discuss whether 10,000 SP is too little or too much, but supposedly CCP knows who exactly will be getting these rewards and what do they mean to those players.

At least is more than "doh, only got 20 minutes, won't bother loggin in to EVE since there's nothing I could accomplish in so little time".

Nice tinfoil, but daily rewards were suggested before skill trading was a thing. IIRC CSM IX already discussed this in 2014 and Serenity server (China) got it just last Xmas with and Advent Calendar event.

So you support dailies because they will encourage you to log in when you don't actually have time to play?

Nah, you are putting words in my mouth I didn't say. The system how the SPs will be earned needs strong improvement. But I think Devs are aware of that. The argument that Eve goes more and more WOW is just ridiculous. And that players are forced to do it just because it opens the daily opportunity is ridiculous as well, just infantile.



again, putting words in my mouth.



Sorry, I have to disagree strongly. Many players resubbed recently and the numbers are growing. Just because of daily opportunity Eve is not full of crap. You sound very pessimistic. However, I have to admit, Ive been against SP Trading, that was a huge sacrifice of an USP for more rl profit on the bank account of the company CCP. But thinking twice, understandable, if you look at plex sales since SP Trading release.

Correct. And a daily is no reason for quitting eve.

It's the most simple implementation. Something "so forced/appealing" should require more than just hopping over to a belt?