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Hi folks,

I'm normaly not post in this forum, but i want to left a word about it too:

Overall i belive in this idea! As i worked as analyst i know how hard it is to get this kind of datas and if the chances are even small that it will help, they are there and that for a very good kind if issue. so i hope this will not get canceled, because bad critics.

The most problem about the realy bad critic to this project are quiet it's useability of it and i mean not the crashes. new system always had problems with crashes, this will maybe run in a few weeks. i would say that the people need a possibilty to get it right after failing to learn from faults:
i myself have absolut nothing to do with protein-biology or this kind of studys. i realy think it's hard to get the exact thing to do from the turtorial. yes they are samples and you know quiet a bit what it wants from you, but am i right with my sugesstion of the sample? the most time the interface only give feedback what other players choose, but not what is the right answer. i often had the thinking that i choose the right thing according the criterias from the examples, but im not sure at all. the most of the other players had choosen, something that i think is wrong according the criterias. than a message comes that i got positve points or negative points. more important where, what sample it was when i was wrong and what was the right answer to it?

At the moment i have only a very low chance to guess the right thing and if i was wrong i don't will know it and after that i will maybe choose ever again the wrong thing. a very sad thing for the cleanness of the datas. At the moment they are alot of samples where i guest what it is and i realy wanted to know what it will realy be. Some of them are a unsolveable puzzle for a non biologist i think, but i think it would be nice to have a chance to make the right decision. Maybe some of us will get good enought to really can support your work!

i hope my opinion will help your project!

signed,
A.D.Mynx

I'm glad to see some official attention here. It gives me hope that there's a future for the project and possibly more development to be put into it?

And .... are we helping to save lives here?

Some notes regarding the control samples.
- ONLY Nucleus & Nucleoplasm control samples are given. They ve ALL numbers in the 300-500 range, so it is well knwon before you answer that this one matters for your score. Because of this they are really easy ... like 100% easy ... and the learning effect is rather small.
- I truly believe that some of the provided known control sampels are not accurate, more specifically Cell-to-Cell Variations should apply in some cases. Example
- I already got the same control sample twice
- They often/ almost always come together in 2s packs, wich makes them even more predictable
- If some one could explain this to me i would be highly enlightened

Some ideas:
- In order to increase learning effects it would be nice if there would be a progression in the given control samples. The current ones can be given in the sub lvl 10 and 50% range. Higher levels should be challenged way more.
- Regarding the score system: It would be rather nice if hard examples give some extra reward. For example: If the controll sample has some hard to see cytokinetic bridge and only 3% of the players who got this control sample got it right, those 3% should recieve extra points.
- The Histroy feature should be expanded. It is mantatory to revisit the picture if you got it wrong.
- It is currently not possible to zoom in/ modify colour after you submitted and are in the result window. This is really bad, because sometimes you want to check something after you saw the consensus. It would also be nice to ve an option to change ones answer in the result screen (obv. not affecting the score), it happens rather often to me that i spot something (e.g. a cytokinectic bridge) after hitting submit.

All in all i really like this minigame but it has even more potential

I am unsure if this has been reported already but I am experiencing a bug with project discovery on this toon. Ever since I started project discovery on this toon (I have another toon that I started it on) I have not been able to see my submission history at all. Also, once I hit 80% or so, the only thing that would affect my accuracy rating was the guaranteed right/wrong samples. I am currently rank 42 with ~95% accuracy.

With the combat suits already down to 200mil a piece (as of March 25) and dropping, you should probably rethink your rewards system.

With no real ISK to be made, I'm afraid that people will stop doing it very soon.

Even with 90%+ accuracy, the ISK rewards are insignificant. The only thing keeping us (me) interested was the possibility of converting AK into ISK via trading combat suits, but now it's slowly becoming less and less viable.

I agree to both posters above me.

I support Project Discovery even without rewards. But without something to spend my AKs for I'm back at playing Minecraft instead.

How about Skill Injectors as additional rewards or the current combat suits in different color variations?

However I'd like to see other similar projects in future too.

I think the ISK reward is fine for what this is (a background activity). I play this while travelling or even running missions, since I have a good semi-AFK mission boat at the moment, and I can generate a solid 8-10 mil per hour from Project Discovery alone, WITHOUT considering selling good purchased with AK.

However, I've found an interesting plateau that removes incentive to care about my answers. I am not maxed out on accuracy rating and as such experience and ISK rewards. It will now take 10 incorrect answers to control questions for me to begin to see any decrease in my income potential. While I don;t think capless rewards is a good solution, players require something to maintain incentive to identify images accurately. Perhaps once accuracy cap is met, control slides answered correctly gain an additional bonus, either in AK, Exp, or ISK (or some combination). That will really drive player to hit the max accuracy and maintain it.

Hey.
I want to share my 2 IRL day experience so far with the Project Discovery ... project.
I actually reactivated my account just for that to try so ... anyway, here are my thoughts.

The tutorial is pretty decent.
From a player that comes way back it is nice to grasp the basics and more importantly - it is intriguing as much as to take a look at this whole thing.

Of course, without any further videos to look at, when I finished the tutorial and started playing/"researching" I got to the point when ... well my accuracy went bankrupt - meaning it was 1% at 1 point. That was yesterday, before the restart of the TQ server.
At this point I got no rewards as the mini-game, as all things in dark EVE, is based on the principle - no pain-no gain. Which is cool and the rest.

So I said to myself I'm doing something wrong. The mini-game was not only mindless clicking after all.
For inspiration I searched for some info what are the rewards, if I really pay attention to this thing. At 1st glance the only thing I can get is the black-red-white combat suit and some other clothes I'm not that interested in ... Basically if this is a REALLY important project for the SOE NPC corp, well I expect something more for my efforts and that could be LP. I got no LP, only AK and ISK ... and ISK, which at the point I'm currently at, I understand why the rewards are such, but about continue reading.
I presume people before me already nailed the obvious - we need either AK+ISK+LP or we need more ISK for MORE accurate answers based on the majority of data submitted. That will be really cool and most of all - rewarding. Because at the present moment I KNOW there are some images that people got wrong. Haha.
Or maybe we can trade AK for LP.

After a day (I presume about 12 hours active on the game) I sit at Analyst Rank 45 and have 97.6% accuracy. Since I started the whole playing I don't see Submission History which I guess is kinda awkward ... just started and the mini-game is not working properly.
Anyway I don't mind not seeing that apart from statistical point of view which sometimes is important.

My other idea is just to have some images which are more important than others so to speak - I guess we already have them as some images say there are no active answers so far (after I submit I got 0% but it still gives me the reward).
Does that mean that actually, for all these images, I'm 1 of the 1st to look at or that is because the mini-game Submission/Waiting system is not working ATM and I'm getting the reward no matter what I click?
Also ... with rank maybe we might get more images that are 1st to see (rare) so the whole compare thing to be more efficient maybe?
I understand though that this might not be good from a statistical/unbiased POV as I guess this game is based on the idea of statistics rather than anything else, if it has indeed RL scientific significance. :)

Overall 8/10 for the mini-game itself.

Let see if my rank/accuracy will drop after the Submission History begins to work again.

Also on that note about the Sub.History ... keep the mini-game dynamic!
Example:How long will you wait for a sample to get the reward? 1day,1week, 1month? This is silly.
If the sample indeed had to wait, so to see if your selections for it are correct, maybe give part of the money initially (if you are in some of the percentage categories, ISK might depend on the percentage, even if some people, by the looks of it just click whatever they wish) and after the "all-clear" get the rest of the reward.
But keep it dynamic. Accuracy is 1 thing ... but waiting on 150 samples to get through and get ISK, which you need, is silly. Keep the ISK, at least, flowing.

Oh well ... back to sampling samples I guess. :)

Where can I find my Analysis Kredits balance?

Are the Project Discovery folks still checking Project Discovery threads? A couple of the 'Classification' slides have been wrong, or at least, extremely misleading. I don't know who qualifies those examples.

Again, I hope CCP is really supporting this mini-game. I'd also like to know more background on it. Is it going to help anyone?

But basically, I'd like it to get good support, and not be abandoned just because it's not the new flavor of the week.