Upcoming Feature and Change Feedback Center

In this thread, there are two kinds of people:

Eve players... And those that came from WoW...

Short:

Please change the reward to aurum tokens OR limit dailies to “non-milkable” less than 5m sp toons.


Long:

I no longer expect Eve Online to attract players. What players are interested in is fun and new exciting challenges. Instead I see some changes:
- learning scanning skills is boring – Okay here are SOE ships
- rising standings is boring – Okay install jump clones and set POSes (and upcoming Citadels will successfully eliminate the need of standings for trading)
- learning skills takes too long – well here are some injectors

Long progress and achievements requiring some thinking, planning and efforts are eliminated in favor of some immediate effects. In my opinion this favors not the NEW players, but LAZY and DUMB ones.

Implementing the design ideas of WoW or World of Tanks is not a brilliant move as Eve Online for many years had served as a shelter: the antipode to games based on dumb repetitive grinding or donating. Why to change this? Sandbox is not much compatible with "volunteer-obligatory" procedures.

There are literally thousands of small (and bigger) “little things” players eager to see in the game, many of them are really required. Players want new and interesting features, plain daily “kill an NPC” is definitely not one of these.

But CCP is stubborn and it shall be implemented regardless of players opinions. To minimize the damage I'd suggest limiting these dailies to the toons not eligible for extracting SP – less than 5.5m SP, or changing the reward into something luxury: apparel, SKINs, e.g. what may be purchased for Aurum, so it is logical to handle Aurum tokens as the reward (implementing some other “OK” - Opportunity Kredits to be redeemed like LP or AK is also an option).

Thanks.

Are you kidding?
Ofc NO

Are you going to turn EVE to WoW?

Old players will leave more and more with this features, and the new ones willnt stand: switch to the other archeage project
Does ccp think that they add something valuable?

It is a wonderful idea to reward players for being active but I think the implementation should be different. The way I see it this idea has a few problems:

1. You have to log in
2. Boundaries are not clear and for now the cost-of-entry appears to low
3. It forces players with no interest in certain parts of the game to take part in stuff they do not find interesting
4. Awarding Skillpoints

I'll go over these points in some detail.

Problems
1: One of the things that make EVE different (I am not saying better) from a lot of MMORPG's is that there is no incentive or need for players to log in except for social pressure. This makes it so that when I am on vacation or enjoying a day or two over the weekend away from my computer I don't have that little voice in my head telling me that I am loosing out on something. Many a MMORPG I played had a daily system and it is quite annoying. I think not having such a system is a unique aspect to EVE Online that I would not like to see go.

People may claim that you do not have to do these dailies because it is only 10K SP. But when I am unable to do that daily I know I will feel something unpleasant about either during that day or later because I missed out. I think it is much better to be drawn in by the power of friendship than by the power of skillpoints (see point 4). Imagine your corpmates logging in, killing a NPC and log back off. For just a moment I thought I could enjoy what I joined EVE for, the
social aspect. I think this has the potential to be damaging.

2: Killing a single NPC and getting this reward seems like a problem to me. Imagine you only have 5 minutes on a certain day to potentially log into EVE. You have to because otherwise you will miss out on those Skillpoints! Logging in you are greeted by your fellow corpmates. But since you are going to someplace else in 5 minutes you hop into your Ishtar, shoot the first rat in a Sig in your home system and log back off. See the end of point 2 for this.

The cost-of-entry, a single rat, feels, for reasons outlined above, to low. Players will start snagging a single NPC kill from a corpmate who is running a site, or shoot a single one and leave it be for someone who wants to complete the site. This low barrier encourages people not to complete a site. Thereby not doing PVE after all.

3: Some players are just not meant for PVE. Those players will, I think, start behaving as I described above. But PVP players benefit just as much from Skillpoints as PVE players. On one hand this is an excellent idea since it almost forces PVP players to try PVE content. On the other hand it almost forces players to do something they do not want to do, just to get the reward.

4: Awarding skillpoints is, I think, the core problem here. It is just a value to valuable to pass up on. Players above 80M SP get 150K SP from a single skill injector costing about 625M~ at the moment. That means shooting a single rat earns you 42M~. And unlike skill injectors there is no diminishing bar upon reaching a certain skillpoint amount. For players with more skillpoints it is even better (costwise) than lower skillpoint players. Which I think should be other way around. If you would miss 10M ISK if you would miss a daily people would not be nearly as upset I think. Skillpoints still have that air around them of being supernice, because they are.


So, having outlined the issues that I think sprout from this idea let's try and offer some constructive idea's and fixes here. I am not a game-designer, I do not say this is the path to go. I do however think offering my insight in this matter may lead to a better, more satisfying implementation of a daily reward system.

Possible fixes
1: A daily reward system incentifies people to log in daily while they might no want to do so. This can be fixed by storing the reward if a player does not log in. But because this would kill the idea of a daily reward I suggest diminishing returns here. Something like that could, for example, look like this:

• 100% return on the first missed day
• 100% return on the second day
• 90% return on the third day
• 80% return on the fourth day
• etc

The reason a player should be allowed to miss two days unpunished are outlined in Problems point 1. No pressure to log in to just do the daily, no punishment the first days.

This way the daily aspect is preserved, the player is not punished for enjoying/living his actual life and the still incentifies people to take part in the reward system.

2: As described in Problems point 2 killing a single NPC/can/asteroid or whatever is a barrier to low. With a careful approach I think this can be fixed and still encourage people to enjoy the PVE of EVE.

Single NPC should become to site completion. People should not be punished for running sites together though.
Mining/gas/ice or asteroid should be moved to X amount of cycles. Asteroid depletion could be a problem I think.
Hacking a site should become site completion. Again, people should not punished for running sites together.

At the moment I am unsure what the goal is of this daily system. Do you want players to do more PVE or do you want more daily log ins? Now I get the feeling you would want players to enjoy or at least try PVE. In that case it would be very strange to reward players for a single kill.

Which bars to set here I cannot say for sure, these are suggestions. I do think however that this should be revisited.

new team CCP, you a shame EVE Online !

_________________________________
Fish begins to stink at the head.

Let's try to answer this one.

Every MMO keeps proving content by adding extensions to existing gameplay : not by changing or adjusting existing gameplay, just because it's far more efficient doing so.

If you want to keep your existing playerbase, you have to create new content where incoming players have more or less equal opportunities than elders : a thing at which CCP fails far too often.

Providing free SPs, but whatever various means helps incoming players to have more or less same opportunities than elders. Elders keep the most significant advantage : they fly ships quite better than newcomers would ever do.

Of course, we could also expect from CCP to do far better than anyone else in the industry. We know their commitment, for sure they might, but until they do, the more ways newcomers will have to catch on with elders, the better for the game. Getting for free skills you don't know how to use, like pvp skills, won't change anything to the existing in-game political situations.

I like it! If you are dedicated as a young player you can raise faster out of the valley of low skill. You still get your normal SP so this isn't something you have to do.

Most people that play the game will log in almost daily and if you don't the loss isn't that great. After a certain time you are just aiming for goals but you don't really need the point so there isn't any real loss. When they put in other activities like building, trading etc 95% of the people will just take the point while they are doing what they always do. At the moment players that just hold the account and log in every 3 month to update the skillque raise as fast as someone who logs in daily and plays 3 hours.

Well, obviously CCP has a problem with the amount of active players. But instead making the game more interesting for more players with more types of activities to choose from, you have chosen the dullest way to accomplish that. Congratulation. I hope the employee who came up with that idea is worth its money.

WiS for example is way, way more expensive but creates content contrary to your implementation. It's an ISK sink (rentable larger quartiers for example), gives no one an advantage for using it, creates no emotional stress of missing something if not using it. Provides roleplayers with more room to live their game and stay logged in. Gives CCP the advantage of selling more cosmetic items (why should I buy boots with aurum if nobody can see them) and doesn't interfere with the core game.

the unemployed bum is more likely to try and plex his accounts, that's more money per 30 days than the other guy, so it's more important to keep him as a customer by giving him an extra leg up.