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Eden Halenheit
Mayan calendar
Russian Legion of Honor
#501 - 2016-04-09 07:31:45 UTC
Actually, we had dailies in eve for years now. Ever dealt with research agents?

Still, I dislike this idea. As much as I dislike skill injectors. Planning what skills to train now and what goes later was an important part of the game, a strategic decision that affected one`s playstyle for foreseeable future. That was diminished with skill injectors, now - even more - with dailies. There are a plenty of ways to reward players for pve activities: LP, ISK, RK now too. Why not go with one of those?

Affecting SP gain balance can have some serious reprecussions for the game long-term, I think. And there is just one short-term example for you. Far too often now I encounter noobs in incursion communities who actualy *can* fly t2 battleships efficiently. Thats not bad in itself. Whats bad is that they often utterly unaware of basic game mechanics - such as aligning, scooping drones, etc. Explaining that is utter pain in the arse, and - often - a waste of time too. Some just refuse to listen. Ppl should really spend more quality time on smaller ships, so as to get aquainted with how complicated eve is.
CC Avalos
METACORTEX LLC
#502 - 2016-04-09 07:32:44 UTC  |  Edited by: CC Avalos
One day we will be sitting with our grand children, looking up at the stars and say "Kid I remember when SP meant something"

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Oxide Ammar
#503 - 2016-04-09 07:35:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Oxide Ammar
We already have PVE aspect of the game, you have choice to skip them entirely and do what you want. Same goes to these SP opportunities you have the chance to skip them or doing them no one is forcing you.

This is like idiot saying no to PLEX special offers because you are now forcing him to take the deal...You don't want it, don't take it DEAL WITH IT!!

Lady Areola Fappington:  Solo PVP isn't dead!  You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.

Demica Diaz
SE-1
#504 - 2016-04-09 07:35:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Demica Diaz
Am I the only one who found out about this and checked date TWICE to see if this is aprils fools? Lol ... seriouslly... what the... ... I give up... Roll
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#505 - 2016-04-09 07:43:00 UTC
Oxide Ammar wrote:
We already have PVE aspect of the game, you have choice to skip them entirely and do what you want. Same goes to these SP opportunities you have the chance to skip them or doing them no one is forcing you.

This is like idiot saying no to PLEX special offers because you are now forcing him to take the deal...You don't want it, don't take it DEAL WITH IT!!


you are being penalised for not shooting rats, plex offers is not the same thing

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Sergei Alexeyev
Down South
#506 - 2016-04-09 07:48:10 UTC
Oxide Ammar wrote:
We already have PVE aspect of the game, you have choice to skip them entirely and do what you want. Same goes to these SP opportunities you have the chance to skip them or doing them no one is forcing you.

This is like idiot saying no to PLEX special offers because you are now forcing him to take the deal...You don't want it, don't take it DEAL WITH IT!!


That would be correct if the reward was ISK instead of SP for daily "opportunities"

CCP, please, just scrap this. It's horrible. I'd be decent if integrated into the already existing "opportunities" system. Rewarding new players with 10k SP while learning the game mechanics would be cool. It'd actually be REWARDING. Daily chores (especially for something like SP) is such a bad idea, i'm surprised CCP even bought this up.



Av Ra
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#507 - 2016-04-09 07:48:48 UTC
Oxide Ammar
#508 - 2016-04-09 07:48:57 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Oxide Ammar wrote:
We already have PVE aspect of the game, you have choice to skip them entirely and do what you want. Same goes to these SP opportunities you have the chance to skip them or doing them no one is forcing you.

This is like idiot saying no to PLEX special offers because you are now forcing him to take the deal...You don't want it, don't take it DEAL WITH IT!!


you are being penalised for not shooting rats, plex offers is not the same thing


Not buying injectors from the market is penalizing you. I don't see people whining about.

Lady Areola Fappington:  Solo PVP isn't dead!  You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.

Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#509 - 2016-04-09 07:59:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
Oxide Ammar wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Oxide Ammar wrote:
We already have PVE aspect of the game, you have choice to skip them entirely and do what you want. Same goes to these SP opportunities you have the chance to skip them or doing them no one is forcing you.

This is like idiot saying no to PLEX special offers because you are now forcing him to take the deal...You don't want it, don't take it DEAL WITH IT!!


you are being penalised for not shooting rats, plex offers is not the same thing


Not buying injectors from the market is penalizing you. I don't see people whining about.



You didn't see people whining about injectors? Have you been living in a cave?

Injectors are available to everyone regardless of the activity, shooting rats for SP penalises the people who do activities which don't involve rats who also log in daily, pvpers, traders, industrialists etc

Creating little PVE events like they have been doing is a better way to offer incentives they can easily make them better this just seems like a lazy Friday night idea

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*

Neadayan Drakhon
Heuristic Industrial And Development
AddictClan
#510 - 2016-04-09 08:16:31 UTC

Can we tie CCP Rise to his desk chair and make him watch that vid on loop? Big smile
Quadira
Zacharia Explorations Group
#511 - 2016-04-09 08:16:48 UTC
EVE is a sandbox, no dailies please!
Zakarumit CZ
Zakarum Industries
Forgers United
#512 - 2016-04-09 08:16:53 UTC
This sounds like a bad idea. Giving people SP for logging in? Bad. Giving SP for logging in AND killing an NPC? Really bad.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#513 - 2016-04-09 08:17:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
Seriously Rise, was this Z-tier skinner box bullshit really the best you could come up with? I know for a fact you're better than this.


Either you need a holiday, badly, or someone is making you do this. Use the worth "orthodoxy" in your next post if you're being forced to do this against your will, and we will get you out mate.

We will get you to safety where they can't hurt you any more.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Oxide Ammar
#514 - 2016-04-09 08:17:57 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Oxide Ammar wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Oxide Ammar wrote:
We already have PVE aspect of the game, you have choice to skip them entirely and do what you want. Same goes to these SP opportunities you have the chance to skip them or doing them no one is forcing you.

This is like idiot saying no to PLEX special offers because you are now forcing him to take the deal...You don't want it, don't take it DEAL WITH IT!!


you are being penalised for not shooting rats, plex offers is not the same thing


Not buying injectors from the market is penalizing you. I don't see people whining about.



You didn't see people whining about injectors? Have you been living in a cave?


The end result is CCP did what the intended to do, I didn't see people rage quitting ....I didn't see sky is falling...
But when CCP introduce a free way to gain SP, the **** posts roll start over again. You have the free well to skip any aspect of this game, consider this also as one of these aspects.

I can dig you **** ton of threads from 3-4 years back asking SP for Plex/ISK or threads asking SP for mission rewards and show you the replies veteran forum warriors. I bet half of them already quit the game for different reasons and the rest are buying Injectors from the market.

Lady Areola Fappington:  Solo PVP isn't dead!  You just need to make sure you have your booster, remote rep, cyno, and emergency Falcon alts logged in and ready before you do any solo PVPing.

Globscho Thorson
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#515 - 2016-04-09 08:18:22 UTC
I really dislike the idea of giving away SP.
It goes against the core mechanic of this game and this is never a good idea.

What would be totally legit would be giving away LP for a new store where you can get Skins and stuff like this.

Also maybe expend the range of activitys give this new LP for your first activity like first market order, first production and so on.

In a sandbox game there should not be a benefit for a single playstile.
Neadayan Drakhon
Heuristic Industrial And Development
AddictClan
#516 - 2016-04-09 08:20:12 UTC
Eden Halenheit wrote:
Actually, we had dailies in eve for years now. Ever dealt with research agents?

True, but the reward for doing research agent dailies is minimal, and I imagine many people don't have any research agents running, or even know what they are.

That said, I think it's been about 5 months since I've visited my research agents. 4 L4 Research agents with about 21k RP each according to my journal P
Neadayan Drakhon
Heuristic Industrial And Development
AddictClan
#517 - 2016-04-09 08:21:18 UTC
Oxide Ammar wrote:
Lan Wang wrote:
Oxide Ammar wrote:
We already have PVE aspect of the game, you have choice to skip them entirely and do what you want. Same goes to these SP opportunities you have the chance to skip them or doing them no one is forcing you.

This is like idiot saying no to PLEX special offers because you are now forcing him to take the deal...You don't want it, don't take it DEAL WITH IT!!


you are being penalised for not shooting rats, plex offers is not the same thing


Not buying injectors from the market is penalizing you. I don't see people whining about.


skill trading shouldn't exist, and neither should SP dailies
Gully Alex Foyle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#518 - 2016-04-09 08:23:12 UTC
So, let me get this straight.

People who log in everyday all 3 alts, for 5 minutes, to shoot 1 NPC get +900k SP a month. Roughly a +50% boost.


This is a great idea, because:

[ ] Mindless robots make great players

[ ] Shooting 1 NPC a day is so much fun, it's the core of what makes EVE such a great game

[ ] Killing that 1 red cross will teach you so much about the game

[ ] You'll surely meet and engage with lots of wonderful people in those 5 minutes in some random highsec belt

[ ] Daily chores will help you be more creative and contribute to the sandbox in many new, exciting ways

[ ] ...

[X] None of the above and that's why this idea is actually horseshit

Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter!

Ruby Gnollo
#519 - 2016-04-09 08:24:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Ruby Gnollo
Gerhard Stringfellow wrote:

I agree. This is basically introducing grinding to EvE.


I understand you can call this grinding, even if it can be done in 5mns/day, which is far less than whatever you'll find anywhere else.

But look at the alternative : dozen of alts not bringing a cent to the game belonging to the richest players of Eve. This is really Eve : one of the most toxic player base you can find in the entire industry hiding being glorified countless alts & unsub accounts.

And what are you asking for ? Leaving it this way.

When Eve had no equivalent anywhere, things could have last the way they did during the last decade, with elder ones playing for free preying for fun on evercoming fresh young blood. I'm really happy CCP is just only beginning to understand this has to change, provided what's important is to give New Eden a future and not only a shell where to hide for the one of the worst players base on Earth.
Bertral
Les chevaliers de l'ordre
Goonswarm Federation
#520 - 2016-04-09 08:30:26 UTC
Ask yourself this :
What does it bring to the game ? How does this contribute to the sandbox ?

It only kills one of the main selling points of EVE ("you don't have to grind for xp"), and it's the polar opposite of sandbox gameplay ("login, do this even if you don't want to, get reward, log out").

You can't announce something that's so controversial and not explain the reasoning behind it nor your long term view.