EVE General Discussion

There are no limits to counter-intelligence.

Confirming that digi also wins eve. And doesn't even need an account to do his work.

If you spy on us, he will find you, one way or another.

CCP has no jurisdiction over what we do with IT services outside the game.

Sure they do. If they so choose they can remove you from the game. They don't have control over what you do outside of the game. But as soon as you bring that into the game, they have 100% control. But hey they can remove you at any time without reason any way. So yes they have 100% control.

Personally I think that there should be consequence for using such means. It's outside the boundaries of the games design. If the aim of the game was to blur the lines to that degree it would have been designed into the mechanics.

Wow, that is super scummy. Guess EVE is Real. Is Real.

Agreed. Operations as performed by the Guiding Hand Social Club being a great example and using the mechanics within the game to the full. This to me is just cheap and using a cheat for quick reward because you just want an "I win" button. Just because your being outplayed within the game doesn't give you the right to employ an exploitation out of it. It's a bit of an immature dummy spit.

OK So this from the Reddit thread is why I tell people "DON'T CLICK ON A DAMNED THING".




It's more than doxxing/IP risks here. More than some spy being hunted either. In fact, lay that aside. This is something for super pilots and FCs.

Roughly 6 years ago I recall a story from another player who described doing some haunting of locals in some nullsec pocket. I don't recall the details except that his target was a Russian corp.


Anyway, they claimed they could get him, which he denied. But later during the usual cat and mouse fu that is Eve Online, the connection to the server got a bit funny.

Right before it happened the last thing to appear in local in the soon-to-be-frozen up client was "here goes" or something like that.

Now I'm no wizard of networks, but I know enough from my days protecting servers from Chinese hackers (seriously, real hackers. In China).

If someone gets your IP number, they can run a trace. This is not so much cop stuff. Unless you have Eve installed on a web server they won't get all the way to the end, but they don't need to.

They need only know what nodes you are using, which "big switch" you are getting to the Eve server to. It depends on your service. For example, I used to live at a place that had spotty cable internet as it was remote, and I could run a trace from there to my office VPN and see what nodes I was using (helpful to know if your connection is good for an online meeting with streaming video that you want to ensure is OK for it). But at times I used a 4G Wireless system connected to my computer and running the same trace revealed entirely different paths. The 4G account is from an entirely different company.

And then..... well there are "services" you can get anonymously which can run a DDOS on just about any address you give them. I don't know any personally, and I won't go beyond this point because IMO I'm on the verge of going from geeksplaining network 101 to game exploit.

Basically, the IP number can be used to shut down a connection, something that can be a really bad deal for an FC or super pilot.

Only a couple of times over the years I have heard of this happening in Eve.

If this "war" results in this kind of activity, not only should those engaging in it be permabanned from the game, but they should also face criminal charges in their home jurisdiction. But in the end, if internet spaceships so srs that people have to resort to these tactics, then suddenly I don't feel like playing this game any more if that's the kind of people who play it.

Hopefully CCP takes a good hard look into this matter and other matters like this because there are plenty of sore losers to go around.

What can CCP do about it?

If someone that has no account traces an IP address using means totally outside the game and passes on the information, then how is that CCP's responsibility to deal with?

The spy opened the document and caused his IP to be sent, so if he has an issue with that, then surely it's his responsibility to report that to the police if it breaks a criminal code (which it doesn't. It's just the way the internet works), or take civil action himself.

Just because it's Eve related in the end, doesn't mean we can pass our own personal responsibilities on to CCP. This is an issue between the spy that was caught and the person that set him up to be identified.

I dunno I think that CCP does have some responsibility to protect players if it is true that these people have done that before, it does give cause for concern.

What specific responsibility does CCP have?

Protect players? The guy sent his IP address willingly.

CCP can't protect stupid or prevent people from being lazy.

This involved no CCP asset, involved no CCP accounts and was done totally through servers and systems external to CCP that they have no admin access too. It was just the internet operating normally.

What specifically do you want them to do?

Additionally, the information doesn't identify the player personally, just his IP address and after matching the IP address of the spy to the Director it was clear who was leaking information, so he was kicked out.

What has been done wrong here? Should spies have complete ability to just spy on any Alliance/Corp/Individual in the game? Should they be freely allowed to publish confidential conversations to all and sundry, should they be allowed to quietly interact with you like they are your best friend, all the time leaking information that damages you?

Oh no. Those poor spies. Matching numbers to find them is terrible. How dare that be allowed!

I think rather this is more clearly a case of people being outraged about something they don't understand.