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Darkblad
#61 - 2016-04-08 17:29:27 UTC
Well, a hint for that feature was available a while ago on the very. useful. and. always. true. updates site.

NPE-ISD-Übersetzt!
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#62 - 2016-04-08 17:29:46 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Xenuria wrote:
Do NPCs in missions count towards this?

I don't think so. I do believe you actually have to make some effort to find a specific rat / npc to be able to gain the skillpoint award. And that's perfectly fine in my opinion if it will be that way.

Instead of sitting in station ship spinning, you actually get rewarded for doing something instead.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama
Hra Neuvosto
Party Cat Enterprises
#63 - 2016-04-08 17:30:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Hra Neuvosto
I like free SP as much as the next guy but dailys don't fit EVE at all in my opinion.
Poopicus Butts
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#64 - 2016-04-08 17:31:33 UTC
Are you nerds seriously complaining over free SP
Gospadin
Bastard Children of Poinen
#65 - 2016-04-08 17:31:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Gospadin
Strange Shadow wrote:
Idea is solid, especially when other (more or less complex) conditions will be added, with different timers and rewards.
But for this one simple condition, reward seems to be too high, especially if you plan add more of such conditions.

Average SP gain per hour on average char is about 2000 SP per hour at current rates.
For simple "kill any NPC daily" challenge more appropriate reward would be like 500-1000 SP.
For 10.000 SP it should be more like "complete any lvl5 mission in lowsec" or something like "kill this special capital NPC". Something that requires actual risk and effort, otherwise the reward wont looks earned and becomes farm instead.


You get 50k for sitting on your butt in every 24 hour period with balanced attributes and a cheap pod.

I believe a lot of this is to keep newbies from recognizing, as soon as they put their first level 5 skill in the queue, that they can just log out for a few days and wait til it's done. Logging out of EVE becomes habit forming. Especially because with their low skills and capitalization, the reward of venture mining or level 2 security missions isn't worth the effort.

With a modest boost to skill accrual, it keeps a few more pilots visible in the universe, which makes it more alive for everyone.

Edit: And that "aliveness" is what keeps players around, IMO.
Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#66 - 2016-04-08 17:31:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Darkblad; sure, but original concept wasn't SP. ;)

That said, Rise: my solution.

Don't give SP. Instead, give Society of Conscious Thought LP. They don't have any agents, so no other source of it.

You then use the SoCT LP store for rewards, which you can rotate or adjust easily.

This gives a storyline basis for SP ('micro-injectors,' thanks Gorion), for why this new push is underway (SoCT loves the egg), and you can also provide other rewards.

Further, if it's a marketable good in an LP store, you can get interdiction, market trading, etc.

If you're worried about the only source of these being Geminate, you could post a few more SoCT stations in various places, like, say, CONCORD sovereignty?

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Axhind
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
#67 - 2016-04-08 17:31:59 UTC
Wow. New low for CCP. How about you make it free to play before messing it all up?

EVE is already demanding game, now you propose to make it forced logging in of every char every day to not lose out on the bonus. Yea, forcing (or at least strongly pushing) people to play your game is for sure never going to backfire.

Haven't yea learned anything from all those failed MMOs?
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#68 - 2016-04-08 17:32:20 UTC
You could try making a game that your playerbase wants to log in for, rather than having to bribe them with SP.

Hell, here's a completely crazy idea, you could make NPCs challenging and interesting to fight rather than something to be farmed en masse in your sleep.

(you won't do either of these things)

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Tefnut' Ra
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2016-04-08 17:32:37 UTC
I like the idea!
Because too many people never undock from jita!
Captain Semper
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#70 - 2016-04-08 17:32:45 UTC
Gospadin wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:
For nine years, I have enjoyed Eve as a game I didn't have to grind in order to improve my characters. This changes that completely. Please don't do this, especially not per character.


You don't have to do anything to improve your characters. They're not eliminating normal skillpoint accrual.

For most of us in +5 pods with optimal attributes, it's about 15% difference.

For rookies just starting out, it's 30% or more.

Yes but that was the PLAN

"Our game will be different then other MMO. Grind willnot improve you character. The only way that you can get SP is time."
And now RISE just trash it...

I know that it have very small affection on the gameplay. But its and IDEA!
And what next realy? Kill nyx NPC get 100k SP?
X4m
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#71 - 2016-04-08 17:33:46 UTC
Daily Opportunites = good
SP as reward = bad
captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#72 - 2016-04-08 17:34:26 UTC
gotta boost those daily log-in numbers to fool investors
Tokyo Drifter
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#73 - 2016-04-08 17:34:35 UTC
Poopicus Butts wrote:
Are you nerds seriously complaining over free SP


TEST babby is happy about free SP why am I not surprised
I am sure you vote Bernie because he will pay for your PLEX too
Gospadin
Bastard Children of Poinen
#74 - 2016-04-08 17:36:36 UTC
Captain Semper wrote:
Gospadin wrote:
FT Diomedes wrote:
For nine years, I have enjoyed Eve as a game I didn't have to grind in order to improve my characters. This changes that completely. Please don't do this, especially not per character.


You don't have to do anything to improve your characters. They're not eliminating normal skillpoint accrual.

For most of us in +5 pods with optimal attributes, it's about 15% difference.

For rookies just starting out, it's 30% or more.

Yes but that was the PLAN

"Our game will be different then other MMO. Grind willnot improve you character. The only way that you can get SP is time."
And now RISE just trash it...

I know that it have very small affection on the gameplay. But its and IDEA!
And what next realy? Kill nyx NPC get 100k SP?


How is "login 15 times to kill NPCs" materially different than "kill one DED boss, sell loot, buy injector" ?

Those are both grinding for SP.
Delilah Albertis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#75 - 2016-04-08 17:36:50 UTC
Tokyo Drifter wrote:
Now we get f***** daily quests.
I wish I could spam this emoji since this is the kind used by the crowd you seem to cater to these days.

Casual redditors are a plague.


Nothing wrong with gettin some casual action to fit my casual lifestyle! Bring on the goods!


Advenat Bedala wrote:
No. Just No.


Please, enlighten us more on your informed opinion. I've gained so much insight from your bandwagoned internet jargon that you're bound to sway a few others if you added a few more gems such as "This." and "Right in the feels."

You'd have the developers eating out of your hands!
Rain6639
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#76 - 2016-04-08 17:37:42 UTC
Poopicus Butts wrote:
Are you nerds seriously complaining over free SP

I'm with this guy.
Gian Bal
Rattini Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#77 - 2016-04-08 17:38:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Gian Bal
I got an awesome idea! Liquidate all assets owned by CCP Games and beg Blizzard to have our own cluster in world of warcraft. Either way thats the direction eve is headed.


Also: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=476569&find=unread

Litterally God
Masao Kurata
Perkone
Caldari State
#78 - 2016-04-08 17:40:01 UTC
Absolutely not. Logging in every character every day and popping a rat (incidentally something I do more like every month currently, pve is not part of my regular gameplay and I do not want it to be) is every bit as much of a grind as going through a dungeon killing everything over and over until a bar fills up, and in fact worse became it imposes on your real life schedule.

Also, where's my 100k SP per day for ganking someone?
Combat Wombatz
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2016-04-08 17:40:33 UTC
Gian Bal wrote:
I got an awesome idea! Liquidate all assets owned by CCP Games and beg Blizzard to have our own cluster in world of warcraft. Either way thats the direction eve is headed.


holy lol
Skia Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC
#80 - 2016-04-08 17:42:10 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Feedback appreciate as always

Burn in hell.