EVE General Discussion

LOL...read it on YouTube.

Who cares what some Neville wrote as a comment on YouTube. YouTube has a reputation for stupid comments.

Of course I didn't, you just don't understand the concept that substance is better than style. I never said people don't care about graphics, I said that nice graphics alone does not a good game make. Given the choice between a good Game and good Graphics, most people would take the good game. Of course it's terrific if you can have both, but if I could only have 1, give me game every time.

As regards Indie games, go look at the figures for the likes of Undertale - 8 bit graphics. Evidently there's a lot of people being scammed. They don't seem to think so judging by the almost 50'000 overwhelmingly positive reviews on Steam alone.

Although the FW integration wasn't great, it was there and some coordinated pushes over the years by some strong DUST groups have helped conquer systems (as much as most EVE players would rather pretend they didn't matter).

They also did take the integration further with the district ownership in Molden Heath. Unfortunately it is an area of space not many players care about (which is why it was a good test area) and that ownership concept never spread further.

The real issue preventing any meaningful integration with EVE has been brought up many times but it is the inability to link the DUST and EVE economies, in no small part due to the prevalence of BPO suits which provide infinite quantities of items. This combined with some massive ISK imbalances in early days meant that the DUST economy was virtually impossible to integrate with EVE. Additionally, the ISK levels were very out of whack in that if they did integrate the economies, a single EVE player selling a PLEX could fund a DUST corp for a year due to the differences in costs.

Everything else (platform, graphics, ship to ground interaction) could have been handled one way or the other and even as it was DUST still had a dedicated core of players. The economy is the key because that is the core of what makes EVE truly EVE. It is what makes losses meaningful and what makes rewards rewarding.

The only good thing about DUST was that a different game, on a different system, was not really allowed to interfere with a game I pay for for on a computer.

I never understood why a PS3 game I have nothing to do with, should be allowed to impact on a computer game I do pay for.

I would assume that the whole area is shielded, hence the requirement for small specialized ammunition. What it lacks in general damage it makes up for in ability to circumvent the shielding.

Personally I think the main use for ground troops would be capturing things, sure they can get in and drop the shields, but at that point you may as well just destroy the enemy clone boat from orbit and keep the facility for yourself.

Walking in stations? This was to open the game up to...who, the RPG crowd? Visit each other in-station...a la The Sims? (Sim City was a great game, by the way, which fell to idiot demands by "players".) Walking in stations, or turning stations into islands of "another game" you arrive to through using spaceships instead of jump portals? I still don't see where the thinking is here, but I do know if you want another game, do it the old fashioned way.

Don't demand the makers of one game turn their game into the game YOU want. (I know THIS will be hard for a lot of airheads with keyboards to swallow.) Get out there in this perfect market driven, capitalist utopia and get those investors together. Get those designers on salary (with dental and health) and get that game into beta. We all await your miracle!

I've dissed Dust since I first heard of it, because (as with the My Little Pony-like WiS wonderment) I still don't see how you can realistically (not in the immersive sense of a game....tut tut tut) integrate two games literally - or actually. The one would have to be an extension of the other. (You'll have to be able to think to follow this...kids, you may as well get ready for beddy bye.)

The planetary interaction was a bold and inventive (pardon the pun) way to move from space to the planet surface. However, in terms of scale, to have your little clone walking around your industrial complex the way your Star Wars avatar walks around Coruscant's vendor malls, would require a game larger than EVE itself. The interface in station was a brilliant solution to this. Asking more really amounts to no more than your four-year-old begging for a rainbow pony for Christmas. (You'll get underwear and like it, kid.) We're not handing over the keys to the house and car to the four year old. Sorry.

Dust, as a stand alone FPS, or even a fully elaborated MMO/RPG environment is also a doable idea, sure. It has to compete with the other games in that genre. Battlefield 2142 was one such idea, modernistic FPS, which fell on its sword, despite the legendary success of BF2. But, hey, if a company wants to give such a game a shot, it's their dough. Dust, as it was developed, was given its shot, and regardless of whether it directly interacted with EVE or not, it rose and fell on its own merit as a stand alone game. I for the life of me couldn't imagine how they'd integrate the two games.

Anyone with a basic understanding how these games function (as a mechanical process) knew at the outset there wouldn't be any serious integration of the two. You'd have to completely rework the first to interweave it with the second, 'cause ultimately it has to be one package - one game. No. What we continue to see in this discussion is nothing more than airheads with their endless font of unreasonable, ill-considered and uninformed expectations.

We have this group of people now, that didn't used to be with us (so I can only imagine they've grown up gaming and have now "graduated" to join our ranks) who think pounding on keyboards in forums with petulant demands can force a corporation to cater to their whims. Unfortunately, they've seen examples where this was actually done. However, such examples also have financial crises, and many failures as their "endgame."

So, for you birds out there. Sorry. No pony for Christmas. You'll get the underwear like everybody else....

...and like it.

PS This wasn't typed for you, birds, either. It's for the ones whose ranks you joined who are either too kind or too naive to realize what's happened here. WiS...before you type that in a post again, get an "I'm Stupid" tattoo on your forehead. It makes you look more intelligent.

Nope. Your probably just not smart enough to catch anyone in null sec. Null PvP definitely does exist.

I'm not going to pretend that DUST bunnies were capturing systems left, right and center but certainly at its height there was a very measurable impact in the Amarr-Minmatar warzone. There are some very large, very dedicated Amarr-based RP groups in DUST who linked up with the EVE corps and they had a noticeable impact on the speed of capturing systems. When Minmatar was winning a couple of years back, there were plenty of systems that took a lot longer to capture than they should have due to DUST losses and when Minmatar started losing after that peak, systems fell far faster than they otherwise would.

More meaningful interaction would have been nice but anyone who paid attention to that warzone over the past couple of years would have seen the impact of DUST. Whilst they couldn't capture systems on their own they can and did reduce the number of plexes required to be run to capture systems and thus sped up the captures noticeably.

I will only play it if they only allow us to use our Characters on our accounts. Buy the skills for ground pounding and such.

Dust was a unique game in many ways and even to this day you can still have a lot of fun in the game. The customisation lifted from EVE was one of the best aspects. (Even though we still dont have full Racial parity in terms of weapons / vehicles etc... sorry Amarr and Minmatar vehicles....you never made it)

It did have many issues as a game, some of them were design issues but a lot of them were performance and bug related issues. Over time they did manage to iron some of them out and polish the game a bit but I am really hoping that in the next FPS that CCP do, they learn from the past and they do all of the great bits even better.

I also would really love it if there was actual meaningful interaction between EVE and the new FPS. I am hoping that as it will be on PC this time we will see a lot of what we hoped for.