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Thorax PVP fit - new to PVP
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Logan Katar
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#1 - 2016-04-07 21:58:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Logan Katar
Hello,

I am looking to get feedback and suggestions on whether this would be a good starter pvp fit for a thorax. (I can afford to lose these as I have been mostly a pve / miner for a while now).

Highs
4 x Modal Neutron Partical Accelerator I w/ Federation Navy Plutonium Charge M
(Meta 4 Neutron Blasters)

Mids
10 MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I w/ Cap Booster 400

Lows
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
400mm Rolled Tungsten Compact Plates
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer w/ Nanite Repair Paste

Rigs
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I

Drones
5 x Federation Navy Hammerhead

I can't use T2 on hybrid turrets yet so that is why the Meta guns. Other than that, what suggestions do you have for improving this fit? Is it trash just waiting to be blown up or is it in line with a normal fit for Pvp? Are there minor changes that could improve this?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Logan

edit: listed Meta of chosen blasters
Iyokus Patrouette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2016-04-07 22:13:42 UTC
I really can't remember what the meta names for weapons are. guessing those are blasters. my main concern would be trying to get into pew range of anything using an afterburner.

you want to get close enough as quick as possible to start punching the other ship in the face and an afterburner may just be to slow. so replace afterburner with a micro warp drive would be my suggestion.

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Logan Katar
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#3 - 2016-04-07 22:46:32 UTC
Good point on the MWD vs AB. I will try to fit that in.

Thank you for the advice.
Arcturus Ursidae
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2016-04-07 22:58:02 UTC
I assume some of it is limited by skills.

My general advice would be as suggested above swap the afterburner for microwarpdrive unless your plan is to only ambush people on plex entrances.

Drop the neutrons to ions and fit an 800mm plate. If you keep the 400 make it tech 2 at least. Also 5 guns not 4, not sure if that is an error or you can't fit them.

Use navy antimatter as standard carry another choice like thorium.

With a single rep a small cap booster may still be viable especially if you use the space to fit a bigger plate.

Use T2 drones if you can not the navy ones they have their uses but are not cost effective or do as much damage.

You could also shield fit it, use a large extender and fit damage and tracking mods in the lows. May make the meta guns more viable.
Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#5 - 2016-04-08 00:01:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Sabriz Adoudel
Blasters have a pretty short range and this fit doesn't have the speed to take advantage of them.

I'm also not a fan of mixing active and buffer tanks (the plate and the AAR).

My initial suggestion:

- Remove Afterburner
- Add Microwarpdrive, this will not fit yet. There's a few options to consider here - T2 for optimum speed boost, Compact if you can't fit anything else, or Enduring for less cap drain.
- Remove AAR
- Add a second Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
- Report back if that doesn't fit.

This will give you a cruiser that is a one-trick pony: close the distance fast, and kill quickly or die trying.


Broadly speaking I prefer the Vexor as a Gallente cruiser but it does require heavy skill investment.

On the drones: Faction ones are cheap right now (thanks, Gallente militia) but this can and often does change. T2 drones are worth training into fast as they outperform faction drones and are cheaper. Only you can make the cost/benefit decision on T1 drones vs faction drones in the interim.

Edit: Also carry a variety of ammo. For PVP, always use faction ammo (until you can fit T2 blasters, then carry both faction ammo and both types of T2)

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Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#6 - 2016-04-08 00:21:50 UTC
Download a fitting tool such as EFT or Pyfa, also import your API to get your character skills. Being able to use a fitting tool is a key part of PvP in Eve which allows you to understand different modules, stats, choices, prices etc before going out and testing it in-game. Here's a bunch of Thorax fits to get you started, copy these then you can import them into your program of choice and tweak them to suit your skills.

[Thorax, Dual Prop]

1600mm Crystalline Carbonide Restrained Plates
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
10MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I


Valkyrie II x5


[Thorax, PvP Kite]

Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

50MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I


Warrior II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5


[Thorax, PvP Plate + Rep]

800mm Crystalline Carbonide Restrained Plates
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

50MN Quad LiF Restrained Microwarpdrive
Warp Scrambler II
Stasis Webifier II
Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Valkyrie II x5


[Thorax, XLASB?]

Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
IFFA Compact Damage Control
Co-Processor II

10MN Afterburner II
Faint Epsilon Scoped Warp Scrambler
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400

Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Void M

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II


Hammerhead II x5

Each fit has it's own strengths, weaknesses and play style. It would take forever to talk about all the fits and what they're capable of but testing them out is part of the fun.
Koloblicin Rahl
Forgot to repair
#7 - 2016-04-08 00:48:08 UTC
Hull tank yolo thorax Cool
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-Hi-
5x Neutron Blaster II

-Med-
1x 50MN Compact MWD
2x Fleeting Webs
1x J5 Prototype Longpoint

-Low-
1x DCU II
1x Reinforced Bulkheads II
3x MagStabz II

-Rig-
3x Traverse Bulkhead I

-Drone-
5x Valkyrie II

-Summary-
This fit is tight on CPU so skill points will naturally come into play (hence the meta tackle). All in all, quite light on the sp requirements. Can get 18k+ ehp if you wish to T2 rig it but hence yolo fit. If you're flying T1 cruisers should expect to die so would naturally keep fits as cheap as possible.

16.6k+ ehp
2k+ MWD speed
700+ DPS
ARES-DESIDERATUS
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2016-04-08 04:58:23 UTC
What Dato Koppla said, and the hull tank yolo thorax for sure (but dual prop hull tank yolo thorax is better)

Don't like my post.
Logan Katar
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#9 - 2016-04-08 15:22:34 UTC
Wow, thank you all for the replies.

I can fly T2 drones so I can switch the faction ones out. I do have EFT but didn't know which way to go as I mostly build for PVE.

I am also aware that I will be losing ships fast starting out but from what little I read, I won't die in 5 seconds going with a cruiser (more like 15) so I can have time to assess what is happening.

Again, thank you all for the advice and fits. I will plug them into EFT to see which I will try out first.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#10 - 2016-04-08 15:41:57 UTC
He's new, so the 1600 and full T2 fit isn't an option.

Downgrading from neutron blasters to ions gives up a bit of range and damage, but adds some tracking and gives you the probably needed fitting resources to upgrade the AB to a MWD (possibly allowing the 400 plate to move up to an 800).

Don't kite the thorax, that's a long standing null bear insult to one of the better brawling hulls in the game. Kiting is for the risk averse and the 1 in a 100 F1 pushing null-monkey-fools. If you take a rail thorax into a small gang situation you will be gobbled up and folks will giggle about your loss mail. Just don't do it.

Thorax is the boat that created the holy trinity of pvp back in the day. MWD/scram/web.

Respect the ship, pick approach, drop your drones, lock target, punch mwd, bigin firing, add web/scram when you get in range. Watch faces melt and mothers cry.

When you are sure you are committed to pvp, add a PG-3 to add +3% to your power grid. It cheapish (20 mil or so) and opens up a lot of great fits. Just remember, once you start using this implant - you can't go back.
Arcturus Ursidae
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2016-04-08 18:19:22 UTC
This may be slightly controversial but if you are using meta hybrids have a look at dual 150mm rails over electron blasters.

The fittings requirements are lower and they will do more dps past 3-4km.

Try them on a dual web fit with 1600mm plate and you will get more dps in the latter half of scram range.

Carry some longer range ammo and you can even drive off kiters if you get caught.
ARES-DESIDERATUS
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2016-04-08 19:36:25 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:

Don't kite the thorax, that's a long standing null bear insult to one of the better brawling hulls in the game. Kiting is for the risk averse and the 1 in a 100 F1 pushing null-monkey-fools. If you take a rail thorax into a small gang situation you will be gobbled up and folks will giggle about your loss mail. Just don't do it.

You're completely wrong about this. Rail Thorax is actually a great way to fly it - and arguably the best way to fly it.

Don't like my post.
Siigari Kitawa
New Eden Archery Club
#13 - 2016-04-11 06:23:54 UTC
Some of these fits... have Eve players regressed?

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Switch Savage
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2016-04-11 14:35:27 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
He's new, so the 1600 and full T2 fit isn't an option.

Downgrading from neutron blasters to ions gives up a bit of range and damage, but adds some tracking and gives you the probably needed fitting resources to upgrade the AB to a MWD (possibly allowing the 400 plate to move up to an 800).

Don't kite the thorax, that's a long standing null bear insult to one of the better brawling hulls in the game. Kiting is for the risk averse and the 1 in a 100 F1 pushing null-monkey-fools. If you take a rail thorax into a small gang situation you will be gobbled up and folks will giggle about your loss mail. Just don't do it.

Thorax is the boat that created the holy trinity of pvp back in the day. MWD/scram/web.

Respect the ship, pick approach, drop your drones, lock target, punch mwd, bigin firing, add web/scram when you get in range. Watch faces melt and mothers cry.

When you are sure you are committed to pvp, add a PG-3 to add +3% to your power grid. It cheapish (20 mil or so) and opens up a lot of great fits. Just remember, once you start using this implant - you can't go back.


Please do not listen to this. Rail Thorax performs well but takes a bit of skill to fly correctly and is a nice cheap boat to practice kiting gangs in a cruiser size hull. Plenty of better performing kite boats but they are generally more expensive (Omen navy etc).
Dato Koppla
Neuronix
#15 - 2016-04-11 14:54:59 UTC
Switch Savage wrote:
Serendipity Lost wrote:
He's new, so the 1600 and full T2 fit isn't an option.

Downgrading from neutron blasters to ions gives up a bit of range and damage, but adds some tracking and gives you the probably needed fitting resources to upgrade the AB to a MWD (possibly allowing the 400 plate to move up to an 800).

Don't kite the thorax, that's a long standing null bear insult to one of the better brawling hulls in the game. Kiting is for the risk averse and the 1 in a 100 F1 pushing null-monkey-fools. If you take a rail thorax into a small gang situation you will be gobbled up and folks will giggle about your loss mail. Just don't do it.

Thorax is the boat that created the holy trinity of pvp back in the day. MWD/scram/web.

Respect the ship, pick approach, drop your drones, lock target, punch mwd, bigin firing, add web/scram when you get in range. Watch faces melt and mothers cry.

When you are sure you are committed to pvp, add a PG-3 to add +3% to your power grid. It cheapish (20 mil or so) and opens up a lot of great fits. Just remember, once you start using this implant - you can't go back.


Please do not listen to this. Rail Thorax performs well but takes a bit of skill to fly correctly and is a nice cheap boat to practice kiting gangs in a cruiser size hull. Plenty of better performing kite boats but they are generally more expensive (Omen navy etc).




This. Thorax has the best damage and projection out to kite ranges for T1 cruisers. Vexor can probably match it but having most of your kite dps come from drones can be problematic. The fit I posted can do 500dps to 25 + 18km with CN Plutonium which is pretty much unmatched for T1 cruisers bar the Vexor. The Omen has less range and less dps, but much much better tracking though so it's alot easier to fly.

Kite Thorax is definitely not a beginner friendly ship though, it's very difficult to pilot well especially with the very low tank and bad tracking. Brawl ones (and brawl ships in general) are alot easier to fly and let you get a feel for PvP to start with.
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2016-04-11 15:29:16 UTC
Beam omen is best damage/range, glorious 600dps to 20+10.


Anyways @op, if you are new to the game, consider targeting frigates instead of cruisers. The vexor is probably better suited for that though.

For a new character with bad fitting and meta skills, also could consider the following:

[Thorax, New Setup 1]
1600mm Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II

Stasis Webifier II
Stasis Webifier II
Warp Scrambler II
50MN Microwarpdrive II

Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Light Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I

Hammerhead II x5

Its a extremely old fit but it still should work.




But honestly, even with t1 drones, the vexor is better and easier.
Logan Katar
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#17 - 2016-04-11 16:36:28 UTC
I guess I am a mix of old and new to the game. I have mostly been PVE and mining until now so my skills are more in those directions.

For example, my normal activity is to fly a Rattlesnake Cruise Missile ship and complete Havens in null.

The problem is now that I want to learn PVP, I am oddly skilled and no experience with the PVP side of the game.

So if Vexor is better for learning, I can go that route. I was just thinking thought that I wanted less reliance on drones and more on managing my ship, hence the Thorax. Plus, I can afford to lose Vexor's or Thorax's (no faction or Pirate versions though). So with the relatively longer lifespan of a cruiser in a fight (15 seconds vs a Frigates 5 seconds), I am hoping I will have a chance to react, even if it is too little too late in the fight.

Based on the split opinions here, I will build a Blaster / Brawler Thorax and then also build a Railgun / Mid-range Thorax and post for review.

Thank you all again for your help.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#18 - 2016-04-14 12:03:04 UTC
ARES-DESIDERATUS wrote:
What Dato Koppla said, and the hull tank yolo thorax for sure (but dual prop hull tank yolo thorax is better)


Yep, I would agree to Dato Koppla too. The 1600mm plate fit Throax is a solid fit and a double-rep one does require a little more experience.
Can't really comment on the railgun fit but having flown a railgun Moa after the medium railgun buff, I would say it is a solid option.

The Thorax is also one of those ships where you cannot fit anything wrong because of the slot layout, so when you decide to look into other ships you already have a solid fit that you can apply and learn how the other ships feel when you fly them.

At that point you also know where you can switch out one or two modules that wouldn't fit on the Thorax but on a different ship and you see the up- and downsides of each races.

Just don't rush into things. When I first had Caldari cruiser level one, I thought, oh my they are slow and bulky so I went straight to battleships with low skillpoints and while battleships seem more forgiving at the time you may want to go back to cruisers with more skillpoints and the experience you have then.

It will feel very different but more rewarding, it's like taking your drivers license at age 15 and age 30.

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