Wormholes

Alright, I guess I was successfully baited into actually doing the maths wasn't I...

New system:
Sample C5 Site: Core Stronghold
- Site rats: ~280mil
- Cap wave: ~38mil x3
- Drifter: ~350mil
Total: ~744mil (Subject to salvage variance)

Sample C6 Site: Core Stronghold
- Site rats: ~500mil
- Cap wave: ~51mil x3
- Drifter: ~350mil
Total: ~1003mil (Subject to salvage variance)

By comparison, the current system pays out about ~700mil per farmed site, regardless of WH class, and each site can be farmed 4 times, rather than just once under the new system.
I expect the refarmability nerf will be offset somewhat by an increase in site spawn rate since people will actually be completing sites now but it will still have high variance and will not be nearly as reliable.

PS: This isn't even starting to take into account how much longer it takes to actually run a site through to the end with caps than just escalating with them now since you have to deal with cruisers and frigs, variable spawn ranges ect, nor am I counting the possibility of the drifter just warping off and laughing at you.

Winthorp, what the hell are you wearing?! :S

Winthorp right now: https://media1.giphy.com/media/ifxLK48cnyDDi/200_s.gif

Cmon man, you and i BOTH know you're bitter enough for the both of us :P

Red hair and you'll look like Captain Future. :-)

what would YOU know Mr. nullsec!!!

Our first wormhole was called Care-a-lot, and our Tengus were all names after care bears. I flew Grumpy Bear.

Haha! Success!

I am not in the high-class wh business, also never saw any escalations, other then watching others doing it while beeing cloaked and waiting to get some of the loot :D

But if the current calculation is correct and there is a 75% reduction for home sites and such, ofc you can say "then farm other wh's", but i am not so sure, how easy that will become, especially since after citadel you have those capital changes and i don't know how positive or negative it affects doing sites anyway, if you need more or less ppl and such.

But lets assume 75% reduction, but same costs for getting into the sites to escalate them (caps). Then you might really have that drifter, that in worst case like in highsec, really doomsdays a cap from the field, or maybe not even a cap, but a 1B loki, then i would say, not really good making ISK, especially since everyone gets just a part of the ISK, and the one with the loki, gets only ... well not even enough to cover that ship.

And now assume, the risk to loose a ship like that, goes for every site and you cannot predict which one, and cannot control or focus the fire to a ship by using ecm or such, then your risk for the site is always much higher then the reward, not to mention risk for other wh#s rolling into your site and killing everything on the field.

So that alone, would mean, no matter if you farm your own wh or go into others, you will most likely not come back with much more ISK for long-term ship-loss-compensation.

The part of "go farm statics" might even become a bigger problem, since you have mass restrictions and are not beeing able to bring as many ships as you want, especially not caps.

So even though the current income was probably very easy to come by and also alot with not much risk, other then getting jumped, the change to less isk, with higher risk of loosing stuff, especially by probably getting into other wh's is not very good.

That alone might bring me to the last point. Respawn. Afaik sites only respawn in the same class, when someone else is finishing a site. Means. If you do all your sites in your wormhole, others get those sites. But if nobody in the other statics sees it valuable enough anymore to do them, well ... they won't appear that often in your wormhole anymore to do them at least a bit more safe then doing them in a static wormhole.

All in all, i don't see a benefit other then those site-effect changes, like tricking people into possible drfiter battleships in wormholes. For active pve, that change will possibly reduce people doing them, when they figure out they lost more then they got from them after some days.

think his mum did a bit too much "math" while he was in the womb