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Is this fit over blinged?
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Ember Atavulii
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2016-04-04 00:19:18 UTC
[Machariel, Ember Atavulii's Machariel]
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Capacitor Flux Coil II
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer

100MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner
Gist X-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Pith X-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Thermal Dissipation Field
Pith X-Type Explosive Deflection Field

Republic Fleet 800mm Repeating Cannon
Republic Fleet 800mm Repeating Cannon
Republic Fleet 800mm Repeating Cannon
Republic Fleet 800mm Repeating Cannon
Republic Fleet 800mm Repeating Cannon
Republic Fleet 800mm Repeating Cannon
Republic Fleet 800mm Repeating Cannon
Salvager I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I



Phased Plasma L x5000
EMP L x4160
Titanium Sabot L x5000



Im kinda new but I scored big in a DED site and wanted to move into Lvl 4 mission running.
Any feedback would be good
pushdogg
relocation LLC.
#2 - 2016-04-04 00:46:30 UTC
No, where do you run missions at?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#3 - 2016-04-04 01:14:44 UTC
It's not just over-blinged, it's a bad fit.

Drop the faction 800s and slap on T2 guns; they will absolutely do more damage. You've overcooked your mids in every place except the one where it actually counts; sell that stuff and get a decent prop mod. CFCs are... don't use them. Just don't. Faction TEs are highly questionable. Rigs should either be damage or mobility; play to the damn thing's strengths and stop trying to compensate for perceived weaknesses.
Valkin Mordirc
#4 - 2016-04-04 01:41:22 UTC
Faction guns are very very niche when it comes to fittings, A Mission/Ratting Mach shouldn't need them. Just use the T2's.


Your Prop should be faction if anything as Machs are fast, and you should be amplifying it's strengths. It should be a MWD rather than a AB.

Also if this is a LVL 4 Mission ship, your over tanked.
#DeleteTheWeak
Amanda Chan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2016-04-04 04:51:04 UTC
Without tossing the fit into EFT, I can tell you one thing straight off. Never go full faction damage mods... Do 3/1, 2/1 or w/e 1. Just make the last one a T2 instead of faction. For a MINIMAL loss of dps you save yourself ~100 mil isk.
Ember Atavulii
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2016-04-04 04:59:47 UTC
Amanda Chan wrote:
Without tossing the fit into EFT, I can tell you one thing straight off. Never go full faction damage mods... Do 3/1, 2/1 or w/e 1. Just make the last one a T2 instead of faction. For a MINIMAL loss of dps you save yourself ~100 mil isk.


Yeah but I can afford to lose the 100 mil
Amanda Chan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2016-04-04 05:51:08 UTC
It's not a question of what you can afford to lose but price vs performance. The savings from the damage mod you can change that pith shield booster into a gist shield booster.

There's a reason pith large and x-large shield boosters are so cheap. They're cap hungry mongers but they give huge shield boost. Gist on the other hand, is much gentler on your cap usage, which is also why they're generally so much more expensive.

That's actually why I think you have those terribad capacitor flux coils in there...Those are very specific niche used items, that lost a lot of value with the addition of jump fatigue.(Short story,they reduced max cap, which makes it easier to cap boost above necessary cap needed to jump again. Now with jump fatigue, they're kind of meh. Because they reduce your max cap your window of best cap regen(28%-33%) give or take is much smaller.

So instead for example with arbitrary numbers. Say you have 500 GJ of cap between that 28%-33% window. With a few of those items you now have 300 GJ in that window...It's much more convoluted then that but that's just a rough example why I dislike those items.).

A build i tossed to gether real quick is:
Highs:
7x 800mm Repeating Cannon II
1x Corpus X-Type Heavy Energy Nosferatu

Mid:
3x Rat specific hardener
1x Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
100MN Afterburner II

Lows:
3x Republic Fleet Gyro
1x Gyro II
3x Tracking Enhancer II

Rigs:
3x Large Hyperspacial Velocity - gives you a speed of 5.2 au/s. Frigate class warp speed =P
or
Large Projectile Collison Accelerator II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I/Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I

That's a pretty cookie cutter Mach fit, other then the NOS. Not many people fit them, but I love them for ratting because they allow me to generally ignore cap modules. You'll generally want ~4 minutes worth of cap with weapons and booster/repper running. That's enough time for most NPC engagements.

There are edge cases such as 10/10, Epic Arc missions like Showtime, Wormhole sites, Level 5s etc where you will need more tank/cap. But by in large this fit will suit you for all your PvE needs.
Ember Atavulii
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2016-04-04 12:12:33 UTC
Amanda Chan wrote:
It's not a question of what you can afford to lose but price vs performance. The savings from the damage mod you can change that pith shield booster into a gist shield booster.

There's a reason pith large and x-large shield boosters are so cheap. They're cap hungry mongers but they give huge shield boost. Gist on the other hand, is much gentler on your cap usage, which is also why they're generally so much more expensive.

That's actually why I think you have those terribad capacitor flux coils in there...Those are very specific niche used items, that lost a lot of value with the addition of jump fatigue.(Short story,they reduced max cap, which makes it easier to cap boost above necessary cap needed to jump again. Now with jump fatigue, they're kind of meh. Because they reduce your max cap your window of best cap regen(28%-33%) give or take is much smaller.

So instead for example with arbitrary numbers. Say you have 500 GJ of cap between that 28%-33% window. With a few of those items you now have 300 GJ in that window...It's much more convoluted then that but that's just a rough example why I dislike those items.).

A build i tossed to gether real quick is:
Highs:
7x 800mm Repeating Cannon II
1x Corpus X-Type Heavy Energy Nosferatu

Mid:
3x Rat specific hardener
1x Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
100MN Afterburner II

Lows:
3x Republic Fleet Gyro
1x Gyro II
3x Tracking Enhancer II

Rigs:
3x Large Hyperspacial Velocity - gives you a speed of 5.2 au/s. Frigate class warp speed =P
or
Large Projectile Collison Accelerator II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I/Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I

That's a pretty cookie cutter Mach fit, other then the NOS. Not many people fit them, but I love them for ratting because they allow me to generally ignore cap modules. You'll generally want ~4 minutes worth of cap with weapons and booster/repper running. That's enough time for most NPC engagements.

There are edge cases such as 10/10, Epic Arc missions like Showtime, Wormhole sites, Level 5s etc where you will need more tank/cap. But by in large this fit will suit you for all your PvE needs.









Wow my cap lasts longer without the coils thanks for the tips
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
#9 - 2016-04-05 13:30:18 UTC
Is it over blinged?
Is it the best fit?
Are you over tanked?
And the list of those who will tell you what you should be flying and how to fit it will go on.

In the end there is only one person that matters and that is you, and there is only one thing that matters and that is do you enjoy flying this specific ship and fit.

If you enjoy it then nothing else matters. If you do not enjoy flying it then what specifically is it about the ship / fit that you do not like.

Bling is often rejected because gank magnet, my answer to that is the same as above. Take the usual precautions to stay safe, otherwise fly what you want in the end they are simply pixels on a computer screen and can easily be replaced.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#10 - 2016-04-05 16:08:29 UTC
Ember Atavulii wrote:
Amanda Chan wrote:
Without tossing the fit into EFT, I can tell you one thing straight off. Never go full faction damage mods... Do 3/1, 2/1 or w/e 1. Just make the last one a T2 instead of faction. For a MINIMAL loss of dps you save yourself ~100 mil isk.


Yeah but I can afford to lose the 100 mil


and once again....

where do you mission from?

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atomic killer
The DARK TROJANS
#11 - 2016-04-05 17:48:19 UTC
[Machariel, 10/10 Angels]

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Internal Force Field Array I
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Federation Navy 100MN Afterburner
Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
Large Micro Jump Drive
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
Improved Cloaking Device II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

This what I used for 10/10 Angels

For in system anomalies

[Machariel, anomalies angels]

Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Federation Navy 100MN Afterburner
Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier or something else, whatever you feel more suitable.
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
800mm Repeating Cannon II, Hail L
Improved Cloaking Device II

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Ember Atavulii
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2016-04-06 13:53:43 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Ember Atavulii wrote:
Amanda Chan wrote:
Without tossing the fit into EFT, I can tell you one thing straight off. Never go full faction damage mods... Do 3/1, 2/1 or w/e 1. Just make the last one a T2 instead of faction. For a MINIMAL loss of dps you save yourself ~100 mil isk.


Yeah but I can afford to lose the 100 mil


and once again....

where do you mission from?


Caldari space
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#13 - 2016-04-07 02:56:28 UTC
It's not over blinged, you don't have enough bling, here's what I'd recommend:

[Machariel, Unnamed loadout]
Shaqil's Modified Gyrostabilizer
Shaqil's Modified Gyrostabilizer
Shaqil's Modified Gyrostabilizer
Shaqil's Modified Gyrostabilizer
Tobias' Modified Tracking Enhancer
Tobias' Modified Tracking Enhancer
Unit F-435454's Modified Damage Control

Gotan's Modified 500MN Microwarpdrive
Estamel's Modified X-Large Shield Booster
Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier

Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Cannon
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Cannon
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Cannon
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Cannon
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Cannon
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Cannon
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Cannon
Unit W-634's Modified Drone Link Augmentor

Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II


'Augmented' Ogre x4
'Augmented' Hobgoblin x5


Essentially unkillable, also you'll do missions so fast you'll pay it back in no time. This is what all the top tier mission runners use.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#14 - 2016-04-07 06:24:23 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
It's not over blinged, you don't have enough bling, here's what I'd recommend:

[Machariel, Unnamed loadout]


You could have at least called it something like "sexy purple sex machine". "Unnamed loadout" just lacks class.
pushdogg
relocation LLC.
#15 - 2016-04-07 06:53:47 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
It's not over blinged, you don't have enough bling, here's what I'd recommend:

[Machariel, Unnamed loadout]
Shaqil's Modified Gyrostabilizer
Shaqil's Modified Gyrostabilizer
Shaqil's Modified Gyrostabilizer
Shaqil's Modified Gyrostabilizer
Tobias' Modified Tracking Enhancer
Tobias' Modified Tracking Enhancer
Unit F-435454's Modified Damage Control

Gotan's Modified 500MN Microwarpdrive
Estamel's Modified X-Large Shield Booster
Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Estamel's Modified Adaptive Invulnerability Field
Estamel's Modified Shield Boost Amplifier

Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Cannon
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Cannon
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Cannon
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Cannon
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Cannon
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Cannon
Gotan's Modified 800mm Repeating Cannon
Unit W-634's Modified Drone Link Augmentor

Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II
Large Core Defense Field Extender II


'Augmented' Ogre x4
'Augmented' Hobgoblin x5


Essentially unkillable, also you'll do missions so fast you'll pay it back in no time. This is what all the top tier mission runners use.


Qft.
Aralieus
Shadowbane Syndicate
#16 - 2016-04-08 05:50:21 UTC
Ember Atavulii wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Ember Atavulii wrote:
Amanda Chan wrote:
Without tossing the fit into EFT, I can tell you one thing straight off. Never go full faction damage mods... Do 3/1, 2/1 or w/e 1. Just make the last one a T2 instead of faction. For a MINIMAL loss of dps you save yourself ~100 mil isk.


Yeah but I can afford to lose the 100 mil


and once again....

where do you mission from?


Caldari space



IF this isn't a troll or misinformation you might not want to tell peeps where you'll be flying your blingy faction battleship and that you're new. Google 'Eve safari' or 'gank' if you're still not getting the picture.

GL

Oderint Dum Metuant
Lan Wang
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2016-04-08 08:39:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Lan Wang
needs blingy prop mod for extra fun, and get t2 rigs on it :/

Domination Nephilim - Angel Cartel

Calm down miner. As you pointed out, people think they can get away with stuff they would not in rl... Like for example illegal mining... - Ima Wreckyou*
Amanda Chan
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2016-04-08 11:53:56 UTC
Aralieus wrote:
Ember Atavulii wrote:
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Ember Atavulii wrote:
Amanda Chan wrote:
Without tossing the fit into EFT, I can tell you one thing straight off. Never go full faction damage mods... Do 3/1, 2/1 or w/e 1. Just make the last one a T2 instead of faction. For a MINIMAL loss of dps you save yourself ~100 mil isk.


Yeah but I can afford to lose the 100 mil


and once again....

where do you mission from?


Caldari space



IF this isn't a troll or misinformation you might not want to tell peeps where you'll be flying your blingy faction battleship and that you're new. Google 'Eve safari' or 'gank' if you're still not getting the picture.

GL



You act like interested parties haven't already used a locator agent.